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[Rods2]

Communist EU Commission President Barrosso has spelled out in a speech the way to end the EU's political and financial turmoil is to create in his words a "Federated Europe". He is now going full speed ahead to implement this with a new treaty for next year to be fully implemented in 2014 or at the very latest 2015.

So by 2015, we will have the Euro and be a province of the EUSSR unless Dithering Dave and EU fanatic Thick Clegg, our negotiating team decide differently. 

Well we knew it was coming, but on this timetable it will all be over before we get the chance to vote UKIP. By then they will at best be a minor regional party entering our provincial state legislature in London, or more likely a banned party under a xenophobia clause in the new treaty. On this basis the reduction in MP's by Dithering Dave and Thick Clegg's Lords reform all fits into place and makes sense.

Don't expect as a communist is drafting the new treaty and will be the driving force behind it any concessions to democracy. Van Rumpuy will be the unelected-president, Barrosso the un-elected commission president (prime minister?) and the un-elected 27 commissions will be his Politboro, with the European parliament keeping its present role to give the illusion of democracy, where in reality it has no power apart from rubber-stamping the EU commissions (Politboro) diktats. This is a classic communist Government setup. So by 2014/5 democracy will be dead in Western Europe apart from local politics (London Provincial Parliament and local councils). What will happen to the Queen?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100180847/barrosos-call-for-eu-federation-points-to-a-british-referendum-and-trouble-for-cameron/

Don't bank on getting a referendum as I'm sure like the ESM farce, which is moving all Bank and financial regulation under EU control, (Dithering Dave's veto changed virtually nothing), there was no referendum as Dithering Dave, told us that it would apply to the Eurozone only and would concede NO POWER WHATSOEVER to Brussels, what a liar he is. This new treaty will be passed through parliament in the same way as a tiding up and procedural changes and not a real treaty, just like B.Liar and McRuin, passed the Lisbon treaty without a referendum, when in fact it made some of the biggest changes to the EU ever seen including the constitution in all but name. This will be the path of least resistance for Dithering Dave. 

Sadly, we are never going to make it to 1000 years as an un-invaded Sovereign state in 2066. But I guess we have all seen this coming, since the traitor Heath took us into the EU and was spelled at at the time in the secret FCO 30/1048 on how to fool the electorate to reach this end game by 2002-2003. Ten years late but they are almost there and history shows that like all previous EU treaties, we will be powerless to stop it, at best they might negotiate a few concessions like the Queen remaining head of the UK Provincial Area.

[STMO123]

I'd go and have a nice lie down if I were you Rods 

[Varche]

Even the Queen would fit in nicely. Could change the Windsor name back to Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha as it was pre 1917.

Bit of a mouthful but we would soon get used to the language.

[Rods2]

I'd go and have a nice lie down if I were you Rods 

Won't affect me as much as most people as once I've sold my house, I shall be living in the Ukraine which is outside the EU, so the effect will be much less on me than on you.

[SIR Philbutt]

And here is part of Barrosso speach, read between the lines !!!, with Farage's reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw2SvdfKzbw

[Rods2]

Good to know from Barrosso, if we disagree with the EU by supporting nation states in a free trading area which was the original EEC which we as a nation agreed to, until it was subverted into the EU, mainly by the French, which we have NEVER had a vote on, that we are popularists, extremists and swivel eyed xenophobes. 

The way Barrosso makes his speeches in an aggressive, assertive manner with his arms flailing, reminds me of this man. 

He used the democracy to get where he wanted to be and then changed the system to suit his needs, when in charge, a bit like Barrosso, as a communist, I'm sure is trying to do now. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs&bpctr=1347564209

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'd go and have a nice lie down if I were you Rods 

Won't affect me as much as most people as once I've sold my house, I shall be living in the Ukraine which is outside the EU, so the effect will be much less on me than on you.

You can run, but you can't hide Rods!!    The flower of democracy is fast withering in Ukraine and I'm sure that the dictators there are casting an eye at the EUSSR and thinking that they'll fit in nicely....   

[Rods2]

I'd go and have a nice lie down if I were you Rods 

Won't affect me as much as most people as once I've sold my house, I shall be living in the Ukraine which is outside the EU, so the effect will be much less on me than on you.

You can run, but you can't hide Rods!!    The flower of democracy is fast withering in Ukraine and I'm sure that the dictators there are casting an eye at the EUSSR and thinking that they'll fit in nicely....   

Democracy is far from dead in the Ukraine. Most of the very rich people in Ukraine had 'interesting' histories, including Yulia Tymoshenko. Their democracy is somewhat different to West Western Europe and more like Greek. When politicians you help get elected, in return they provide patronage and positions to the people that helped them to get them there. All ex-USSR countries have high levels of corruption as that was how the Soviet system worked and it is going to take a long time for this to change.

The Ukraine Rada are actually playing a very clever game at the moment, playing off the EU and Russia against each other where they are both desperate, to have the Ukraine under there sphere of influence. Which is why Ukraine has negotiated and signed this year a major free trade agreement with the EU and also joined the Russian free trade area, the only country to have agreements with both. All will be well until Ukrainian President get splinters from sitting on the fence.

There is long term commitment to join the EU, but it is by no means certain that a referendum would agree. Even on the most optimistic of timescales this is unlikely to considered until Yulia Tymoshenko has been released from jail in 2018, so you are realistically looking until the 2020's before this will happen, if at all. I think it is more likely that Turkey will join before the Ukraine and that is still a very distant prospect due the the Cyprus situation.

Ukraine is modernizing in many areas and should achieve 1.6% growth this year and an expected 3.1% next year. George Osbourne would bite you hand off for this in the UK. The Ukraine is far ahead of the UK with the deployment of a high speed Wi-Max phone network, with all major cities and towns now covered and most of the rest of the country will be covered by the end of 2013.

Ukraine is still a country of extreme wealth and poverty, it is a poor country, but it is making steady progress.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'd go and have a nice lie down if I were you Rods 

Won't affect me as much as most people as once I've sold my house, I shall be living in the Ukraine which is outside the EU, so the effect will be much less on me than on you.

You can run, but you can't hide Rods!!    The flower of democracy is fast withering in Ukraine and I'm sure that the dictators there are casting an eye at the EUSSR and thinking that they'll fit in nicely....   

Democracy is far from dead in the Ukraine. Most of the very rich people in Ukraine had 'interesting' histories, including Yulia Tymoshenko. Their democracy is somewhat different to West Western Europe and more like Greek. When politicians you help get elected, in return they provide patronage and positions to the people that helped them to get them there. All ex-USSR countries have high levels of corruption as that was how the Soviet system worked and it is going to take a long time for this to change.

The Ukraine Rada are actually playing a very clever game at the moment, playing off the EU and Russia against each other where they are both desperate, to have the Ukraine under there sphere of influence. Which is why Ukraine has negotiated and signed this year a major free trade agreement with the EU and also joined the Russian free trade area, the only country to have agreements with both. All will be well until Ukrainian President get splinters from sitting on the fence.

There is long term commitment to join the EU, but it is by no means certain that a referendum would agree. Even on the most optimistic of timescales this is unlikely to considered until Yulia Tymoshenko has been released from jail in 2018, so you are realistically looking until the 2020's before this will happen, if at all. I think it is more likely that Turkey will join before the Ukraine and that is still a very distant prospect due the the Cyprus situation.

Ukraine is modernizing in many areas and should achieve 1.6% growth this year and an expected 3.1% next year. George Osbourne would bite you hand off for this in the UK. The Ukraine is far ahead of the UK with the deployment of a high speed Wi-Max phone network, with all major cities and towns now covered and most of the rest of the country will be covered by the end of 2013.

Ukraine is still a country of extreme wealth and poverty, it is a poor country, but it is making steady progress.

The result of any referendum in Ukraine will be rigged and as we well know, if the result dosn't please the Commissars of the EUSSR, then the good people of Ukraine will vote again and again and....... 

[cleggy]

And here is part of Barrosso speach, read between the lines !!!, with Farage's reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw2SvdfKzbw

The comment below the clip sums it up for me.

"If that Barroso geezer came into my local spouting his Euro bullshat, he's get his frakin' head kicked in"

I hope him and Rumpstiltskin call in for a pint.


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