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Quick aerial question
« on: 07 January 2013, 14:54:44 »

I need to extend an RF feed, but I have run out of regular aerial cable. :(

However, I do have some spare satellite cable. :)

Any reason why I can't use that? Can't think of one, personally. :-\

 
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #1 on: 07 January 2013, 15:14:49 »

Nope, basicaly a higher spec RF cable than cheapo tv aerial stuff.

In fact is highly recommended to use the likes of PF100 for terrestrial tv installs anyway
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #2 on: 07 January 2013, 15:49:33 »

Nope, basicaly a higher spec RF cable than cheapo tv aerial stuff.

In fact is highly recommended to use the likes of PF100 for terrestrial tv installs anyway

Thanks, Mark! :y
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #3 on: 07 January 2013, 18:43:54 »

Yup, I use RG59 cctv cable as a rule tbh  :y
Never had a problem  :)
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #4 on: 07 January 2013, 19:16:29 »

Yup, I use RG59 cctv cable as a rule tbh  :y
Never had a problem  :)

Certainly not as good a solution as CCTV cable is not designed to operate at such high frequencies and so the attenuation at rf is often greater.  :y
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #5 on: 07 January 2013, 19:26:14 »

Yup, I use RG59 cctv cable as a rule tbh  :y
Never had a problem  :)

Certainly not as good a solution as CCTV cable is not designed to operate at such high frequencies and so the attenuation at rf is often greater.  :y



Really  :o

I've used it for about 15 years on every and any job i've done like this (I got a job lot of 500 mtrs in the shed at the time) and never had a problem or complaint off anybody.
Maybe its because any lengths have been pretty short (domestic install) and tbh, I always recomend a booster anyway  :)

Whats the difference in spec between PF100 and RG59 ?
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #6 on: 07 January 2013, 19:30:55 »

Depends on quality but anything from 6-12dB more loss per 100m at the higher frequencies, some even more than that.
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #7 on: 07 January 2013, 19:39:56 »

Depends on quality but anything from 6-12dB more loss per 100m at the higher frequencies, some even more than that.

I'll bear that in mind, cheers  :y

I might have a nice cctv job coming up in the spring on a farm.
RF not really advisable because its sat next door to a bloody big ariel (never did trust these wireless bits and bobs  ::))
Looking at 4 camara's with a cable run of about 100 metres so I was looking at using baluns with one cable   :-\

Any idea on price difference ?
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #8 on: 07 January 2013, 19:43:34 »

Why would you use a balun (which is effectively an impedance matching transformer), do you plan to differentially drive a two core twisted pair?
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #9 on: 07 January 2013, 20:15:25 »

Why would you use a balun (which is effectively an impedance matching transformer), do you plan to differentially drive a two core twisted pair?

Yup  :y
Not running 4 x coax cables that length  ;D
I was looking at using cat 5 (4 x twisted pairs)  :y
4 x 1 amp power supply at the camara end.
Cat 5 down a nice conduit with the mains power.

Its been a few years since I have done one of these jobs so having to play catch up on a few things  so feel free to drop any (not so suttle) hints  ;D  :-[
Must admit, the prices have dropped quite a bit since I last touched one of these so on a pretty steep lerning curve here

Sorry to the o.p for the thread drift
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #10 on: 07 January 2013, 20:24:55 »

Sorry to the o.p for the thread drift

No problem, Tiger! My question has been answered and I am following the thread for interest as I want to install a CCTV system in the Spring. :y :y
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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #11 on: 07 January 2013, 22:33:42 »

Depends on quality but anything from 6-12dB more loss per 100m at the higher frequencies, some even more than that.

I'll bear that in mind, cheers  :y

I might have a nice cctv job coming up in the spring on a farm.
RF not really advisable because its sat next door to a bloody big ariel (never did trust these wireless bits and bobs  ::))
Looking at 4 camara's with a cable run of about 100 metres so I was looking at using baluns with one cable   :-\

Any idea on price difference ?

Biggest difference between RG59 and PF100 cable (apart from inner conducter) is the Screening, PF100 or the **100 family is double screened, Braid and Foil, where 59 in its standard form is single, just Braid, although there are some double screen 59 variants out there, so hence as Mark say;s its all about attenuation loss vs Frequencies.

CCTV around 100m, as you say use twisted Pair, Cat 5 or 5e is a better option, the problem you may have at that distance is powering the Cameras, is the Camera Power local to it or are you planning to run the supply down one of the Cat 5 pairs, at that distance the Voltage drop can cause issues, check the Camera spec, there are some good Cameras out there that will work off dual voltage or auto sense different power sources.

Cat 5 works better than Coax at distance, due to the Transmission Line type, apart from different impedance, Coax Cable is an Unbalanced Line, where as Twisted Pair is normally Balanced, hence the need to to convert Balanced to Unbalanced (hence, Bal_un), also in the Baluns design, is to match the different impedances.

Box of Cat 5e 305 meters (1000ft) is around the 50 pound mark Trade.

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Re: Quick aerial question
« Reply #12 on: 09 January 2013, 08:58:55 »

Cheers for that lot chris  :y

I'll bear the rest in mind IF I get the job  :y
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