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Lizzie_Zoom

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70th Anniversary
« on: 16 May 2013, 17:30:24 »

70 years ago tonight 19 RAF Lancaster's of 617 Squadron took to the sky with 133 brave airmen to attack the German dams in the Ruhr.

8 aircraft crashed and 53 airman died, with 3 captured.  The raid militarily was not a success, but the boost to British morale was enormous, as was the shock to the Nazis that the RAF could accomplish what they did by destroying two dams.  Within six weeks the damage was repaired, but it permanently affected the German war machine by way of taking away precious military resources to protect all their dams in an effort to stop any further attacks, plus the affect of the workforce taken away from building the 'Atlantic Wall' to repair the damage the RAF caused.

The 53 RAF men who died in this courageous attack form part of a total of 55,573 airmen of Bomber Command who died throughout the air campaign against the Nazis, and this is an ideal time to remember them all who gave their lives for our freedom today. Very brave men. R.I.P. We salute them all. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Re: 70th Anniversary
« Reply #1 on: 16 May 2013, 18:00:32 »

70 years ago tonight 19 RAF Lancaster's of 617 Squadron took to the sky with 133 brave airmen to attack the German dams in the Ruhr.

8 aircraft crashed and 53 airman died, with 3 captured.  The raid militarily was not a success, but the boost to British morale was enormous, as was the shock to the Nazis that the RAF could accomplish what they did by destroying two dams.  Within six weeks the damage was repaired, but it permanently affected the German war machine by way of taking away precious military resources to protect all their dams in an effort to stop any further attacks, plus the affect of the workforce taken away from building the 'Atlantic Wall' to repair the damage the RAF caused.

The 53 RAF men who died in this courageous attack form part of a total of 55,573 airmen of Bomber Command who died throughout the air campaign against the Nazis, and this is an ideal time to remember them all who gave their lives for our freedom today. Very brave men. R.I.P. We salute them all. :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: 70th Anniversary
« Reply #2 on: 16 May 2013, 18:12:10 »

R.I.P, extremely brave men  :y :y.
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« Reply #3 on: 16 May 2013, 19:10:44 »

words cannot describe their bravery at all :y :y
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Re: 70th Anniversary
« Reply #4 on: 16 May 2013, 19:38:25 »

Yes indeed,and a flypast of the Lady Bower was performed and also a flyover of Scampton in tribute.Brave men all who didn't get the recognition they deserved.
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« Reply #5 on: 16 May 2013, 19:43:15 »

watching a tribute on bbc2 these were very brave men who new they would proberbly not come back they deserve any and all accolades we can bestow on them only a few left now there are no words to say how proud i feel just walking on the same planet as these brave proud men i thank them and all those who fought to save this world fron the nazis i thank them all
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« Reply #6 on: 16 May 2013, 19:44:47 »

Yes indeed,and a flypast of the Lady Bower was performed and also a flyover of Scampton in tribute.Brave men all who didn't get the recognition they deserved.

Oh yes, City Of Lincoln has been busy today! :y :y :y
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Re: 70th Anniversary
« Reply #7 on: 16 May 2013, 19:47:29 »

watching a tribute on bbc2 these were very brave men who new they would proberbly not come back they deserve any and all accolades we can bestow on them only a few left now there are no words to say how proud i feel just walking on the same planet as these brave prpod men i thank them and all those who fought to save this world fron the nazis

Indeed, and of the 77 who did return after that raid I believe only 5 survived to the end of the war. :'( :'(  That was the odds against them whilst serving in Bomber Command.
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« Reply #8 on: 16 May 2013, 19:49:17 »

Me and my little group of mates are flying the Dambusters tribute flight tonight on out Flight Simulators (multiplayer). We have the aircraft and scenery loaded, and flight plans.

What really pigs me off is the fact, as previously mentioned,  that all Bomber Command aircrew were not recognized for various reasons, including Churchill playing the coward after the event. Whatever the rights and wrongs of bombing are/were, it happened. The aircrew did not have a choice, they had to go.
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Re: 70th Anniversary
« Reply #9 on: 16 May 2013, 19:55:54 »

And, Lizzie, one of the five, came up here to Wycombe (now Strike Command) to my friends wedding as guest of honour. The wedding was spoilt in a small way, by way of the guest wanting to come incognito, but when the powers that be found out, all the pomp and glory came out. :(
Nearly forgot...Micky Martin was the guest. :y
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« Reply #10 on: 16 May 2013, 21:02:00 »

Me and my little group of mates are flying the Dambusters tribute flight tonight on out Flight Simulators (multiplayer). We have the aircraft and scenery loaded, and flight plans.

What really pigs me off is the fact, as previously mentioned,  that all Bomber Command aircrew were not recognized for various reasons, including Churchill playing the coward after the event. Whatever the rights and wrongs of bombing are/were, it happened. The aircrew did not have a choice, they had to go.

I couldn't agree more terbert :y :y :y

However, we must consider the context in which Churchill was in during the latter part of the war, and immediately post war.  The British War Cabinet had never wanted to bomb civilians from before the commencement of WW2. They believed the agreement between the major powers in 1921 to make it a war crime to do so was correct, but that agreement had never been ratified.

The Germans were repeatedly warned by the British Government from 1939 not to bomb civilian targets or the British would have to retaliate against the Nazis.  Typically Hitler repeatedly ignored these warnings in his Blitzkrieg across Europe, including eventually the bombing of British towns then cities. The political pressure on Churchill to then take serious retaliatory action was immense and impossible for him to ignore although he was never happy about bombing civilian targets.  My Grandmother and mother used to sum up what most thought after London was bombed; the Germans and sown the wind, now let them reap the whirlwind.

And so it was that the RAF increasingly went on the offensive over German towns and cities, which grew into thousand bomber raids at night once Arthur "Bomber" Harris took control of Bomber Command in 1943.  The raids grew with increasing German civilian casualties, and so much so that Churchill is recorded as saying at Chequers on the 27th June 1944, after watching a film of the bombing of German towns including a raid on Wuppertal when a firestorm had killed more than three thousand civilians a week before, "Are we beasts? Are we taking this too far?"

Then followed even greater German civilian casualties, with Dresden the ultimate marker on the 13th February 1945 with over 25,000 killed in the  resulting infamous firestorm. Other towns also lost vast numbers, with up to 80% of the civilian population wiped out.

Thus by the war's end, and the truth with at last some human dignity coming out of the Total War excesses, the  embarrassment of the British, and American, air forces killing so many civilians arose, just as Churchill and Truman started their efforts to build a united Europe.  The Bomber crews were forgotten in this political "game", and were not rewarded for all their bravery and sacrifices. They had become the last victims of the war in the context of post 1945.

What IS so wrong is that no British government, until last year, ever corrected this unjust case and awarded the Bomber Command survivors the campaign medals they so richly deserved. For so many the recognition came far too late, but for the very few left at least something has now been done, with campaign medals and the marvellous memorial in Hyde Park. :y :y 
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Re: 70th Anniversary
« Reply #11 on: 16 May 2013, 22:36:35 »

Yep my uncle (mums brother) died on that raid - was a rear gunner
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