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[STMO123]

Hope so.............

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7456141.stm

[Richie London]

if george lucas  and gene rodenberry can find other ways of transport im sure gordon brown can  

[Bandit127]

if george lucas  and gene rodenberry can find other ways of transport im sure gordon brown can  

LMFAO....

Gordon's contribution would be to work out the tax and employ 1,500 people to adminster it at our expense...

[Golfbuddy]

Let's hope this catches on. Then there'll be enough petrol for us to use.  

I wonder if, in the future, there will be a market for petrol conversions for people who are sick of paying the duty on hydrogen?  :-?

[Omegatoy]

nah this is the way to go guys!!! watch the videos!!

http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html

[FRE07962128]

Let's hope this catches on. Then there'll be enough petrol for us to use.  

I wonder if, in the future, there will be a market for petrol conversions for people who are sick of paying the duty on hydrogen?  :-?

Trouble is Honda are producing just 200 of these cars over 3 years, so we will all be waiting a very long time for these to go on the second hand market.  In fact I think I will be dead first!  Maybe my hearse will be hydrogen powered!  

[Kevin Wood]

If hydrogen grew on trees (or at least could be pumped out of the ground) it'd be great. It doesn't, so it's a choccy fireguard, IMHO.

Kevin

[Golfbuddy]

As we know, somewhere between 70% and 75% of the surface of the earth is covered with water. 66% of that is made up of hydrogen so there's really no shortage of the gas.

Obviously, the problem is extracting the hydrogen in an efficient way which doesn't use too much energy. I would imagine that there are some clever people beavering away trying to bring that to fruition.

Oops, am I allowed to say 'beavering' on here these days?  

[STMO123]

As we know, somewhere between 70% and 75% of the surface of the earth is covered with water. 66% of that is made up of hydrogen so there's really no shortage of the gas.

Obviously, the problem is extracting the hydrogen in an efficient way which doesn't use too much energy. I would imagine that there are some clever people beavering away trying to bring that to fruition.

Oops, am I allowed to say 'beavering' on here these days?  

Depends who you say it to, big boy.

[Markjay]

As we know, somewhere between 70% and 75% of the surface of the earth is covered with water. 66% of that is made up of hydrogen so there's really no shortage of the gas.

Obviously, the problem is extracting the hydrogen in an efficient way which doesn't use too much energy. I would imagine that there are some clever people beavering away trying to bring that to fruition.

Oops, am I allowed to say 'beavering' on here these days?  

Energy conversions in general are very inefficient.... in this case we will be taking energy from some source, use it to brake down water to its components hydrogen and oxygen, then take the hydrogen, store it (cooled at near-absolute-zero temp), and combine it with oxygen again to get electrical energy, which we store in a battery and then convert it to mechanical energy to propel the car.... efficient it ain't!

[Golfbuddy]

Whilst I agree that, at present, the production of hydrogen from water is inefficient; there must be projects that are looking at the process. Whats more, hydrogen production is a by-product of other processes such as electrolysis so it is already being produced, just not on the scale required.

Storage shouldn't be a huge issue. It is not necessary to cool it to near 'absolute zero', merely keeping it liquid under pressure is sufficient.

I think the issue here is that, as oil supplies continue to be depleted, there will be greater pressure to find an alternative fuel source. let's face it, crude oil extraction and refining is hardly efficient is it?

[robbo299]

Saw an interesting news story on tv tonight. Apparently some bloke in London has been collecting used chip shop oil for years and refining it to produce bio diesel. He used to get it for free as the shop owners were only too glad to get rid of it. Now, as a sign of the times, he is having to pay 15p a litre! He used to be the only person doing this, now there are quite a few apparently.

[Entwood]

A workmate of mine has run his transit on chipshop waste for 5 years !! AND he has "won" 2 court cases ( the owners backed down) as he set up 20 year contracts with fixed prices that they wanted to change .. but it seems they are pretty watertight .. and he is laughing all the way to the bank...

Only downside he says is that for 3 weeks prior to MOT he has to put "real" diesel in.. something to do with particulate matter as he doesn't convert it, he just runs on it

BTW .. you can tell when its him driving past .. exhaust stinks of chips !!! !!!!!

[Growler]

I had an old Rover I ran on veg oil, It was as cheap as chips to run...


I'll get me coat.

[robbo299]

close the door on the way out please