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Re: News from the supreme court.
« Reply #15 on: 26 January 2017, 09:26:13 »

In other words: A politician lied to you.

Not sure why we're all so surprised / outraged. It happens every day. ::)
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Re: News from the supreme court.
« Reply #16 on: 26 January 2017, 13:30:22 »


You're mistaking the clams of a politician/political party with the law/constitution.


No, I'm not. The pamphlet was issued by the leader of HM Government. Whilst he was a politician, he was not writing on behalf of the Conservative Party, but as the Head of HM Government. It is simply not good enough to say that those within Westminster knew it was advisory. The Government clearly stated that the result would be enacted.
The unambiguous message was "You vote and the majority will decide". That is a contract as far as I am concerned.
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Re: News from the supreme court.
« Reply #17 on: 26 January 2017, 14:00:33 »


You're mistaking the clams of a politician/political party with the law/constitution.


No, I'm not. The pamphlet was issued by the leader of HM Government. Whilst he was a politician, he was not writing on behalf of the Conservative Party, but as the Head of HM Government. It is simply not good enough to say that those within Westminster knew it was advisory. The Government clearly stated that the result would be enacted.
The unambiguous message was "You vote and the majority will decide". That is a contract as far as I am concerned.

HM Government is NOT Parliament. The head of the Government can say what they intend to try and do, but Parliament is Sovereign, and can vote down anything that the Government wants to do. Most of the time the Government has a majority in Parliament, so they tend to be seen as being the same thing, but they aren't.

The leaflet should be read as "You vote and the majority will decide" followed by "In the event of a leave vote The Government will (try to) take the actions required to remove the UK from the EU". The first of those actions is to pass a bill invoking Art50 through Parliament, but the Govt cannot force Parliament to vote such a bill into law if a majority of MP's decide to vote against it(which they won't). Allowing the PM to invoke Art50 without the approval of Parliament has been ruled unconstitutional, and I fully agree with that decision.

So again, in the UK "Parliament" is sovereign, not "The Prime Minister", or "The Government", or "The People". That is a contract as far as I (and the constitution) am concerned.
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Re: News from the supreme court.
« Reply #18 on: 26 January 2017, 15:47:04 »

As long as we remain in the EU, then Parliament is only sovereign where EU law doesn't apply, as EU law is supreme.  ;)

Hopefully Parliament WILL be sovereign again one day, but there are those who are hell bent on making sure this doesn't happen.  ::)

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Re: News from the supreme court.
« Reply #19 on: 26 January 2017, 16:12:09 »

Our local MP has already indicated he will vote in line with his constituency's majority decision.  :y

At the end of the day, be it remain or leave, the whole process has been lies and miss information and will continue to be so.
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