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[Andy B]

About a year & a half ago, a neighbour's son was convicted of his part in a £4milion fraud, something to do with passing on bank customer details to a 3rd party. He's in a local open prison. He's due to be allowed out, but has decided that he'll stay in till the end of term so he can complete his university degree!!! :-?  :-?  :-? Just goes to shows how hard prison life is. You & me have fed & watered him, paid for his education, & I'm sure he lived the life of Riley while the going was good before he was caught.
Meanwhile, life on the other side of prison bars, my daughter, along with thousands of others, will leave university with a debt of £1000's
Makes you wonder whether living life on the correct side of the law really does pay.     

[PhilRich]

I don't even want to go near that argument Andy, my blood pressure won't stand for it anymore 

[Andy B]

I don't even want to go near that argument Andy, my blood pressure won't stand for it anymore 

It came up in conversation on Friday afternooon just as we were about to go away for the weekend, so we've had the weekend to 'mull it over'. Emily (my daughter) will be sooooo please when we tell her. :-?

[Richie London]

crime will always pay in this pathetic rather country we call britain. only reason the scumbags come over here.

[Andy B]

..... only reason the scumbags come over here.

I never said a word, but his surname is Maqmood ....      2nd generation  :-?

[Amigo]

That's a tough one to call Andy. When we were that age only a small percentage attended Uni. Now almost anyone can but with a loan as appose to a grant hence we're flooded with graduates that have slaved but can't find work.
     I sat & passed my O levels in Borstal 1982/3 as school rightly would'nt put me through as i was never there, so yes i benefitted through crime & i understand your frustration but it seems many more school leavers attend Uni now, it's almost become the norm. Not sure what else to say really.

[Varche]

At first glance this is the stuff of blood boil however:

If you accept that prison sentences are punishment and that the person is contrite now and fit for rehabilitation then by improving themselves they will be a better member of society and will contribute more by paying more tax in years to come by having a higher paid job. If not then you may as well just execute all offenders found guilty of any crime or transport them to Australia!

the problem is that there are a lot of IF's there. 

[Andy B]

That's a tough one to call Andy. When we were that age only a small percentage attended Uni. Now almost anyone can but with a loan as appose to a grant hence we're flooded with graduates that have slaved but can't find work.
     I sat & passed my O levels in Borstal 1982/3 as school rightly would'nt put me through as i was never there, so yes i benefitted through crime & i understand your frustration but it seems many more school leavers attend Uni now, it's almost become the norm. Not sure what else to say really.

Very true Guy! It does speak volumes for the system though when he's prepared to stop in open rison for longer than he has to do so he can continue his studies.  :-?

[Kevin Wood]

That's a tough one to call Andy. When we were that age only a small percentage attended Uni. Now almost anyone can but with a loan as appose to a grant hence we're flooded with graduates that have slaved but can't find work.
     I sat & passed my O levels in Borstal 1982/3 as school rightly would'nt put me through as i was never there, so yes i benefitted through crime & i understand your frustration but it seems many more school leavers attend Uni now, it's almost become the norm. Not sure what else to say really.

Very true Guy! It does speak volumes for the system though when he's prepared to stop in open rison for longer than he has to do so he can continue his studies.  :-?

We're paying for his upkeep anyway, if in prison.

Might as well spend the time and money constructively, in the hope that he'll leave with something to live for, than spend the time kicking around with other miscreants learning nothing more than new tricks, IMHO.

Kevin

[Andy B]

At first glance this is the stuff of blood boil however:

If you accept that prison sentences are punishment and that the person is contrite now and fit for rehabilitation then by improving themselves they will be a better member of society and will contribute more by paying more tax in years to come by having a higher paid job. If not then you may as well just execute all offenders found guilty of any crime or transport them to Australia!

the problem is that there are a lot of IF's there. 

He is very likely to be 'rehabilitated', he is a nice lad who it seems was attracted to the high life by a gang of fraudsters who led him further than he would otherwise have done. I understand that he did want out early on, but the 'boys' wouldn't let him.
He's a young lad who I'm sure has learned his lesson.

But my reply to Guy still stands.

[Andy B]

That's a tough one to call Andy. When we were that age only a small percentage attended Uni. Now almost anyone can but with a loan as appose to a grant hence we're flooded with graduates that have slaved but can't find work.
     I sat & passed my O levels in Borstal 1982/3 as school rightly would'nt put me through as i was never there, so yes i benefitted through crime & i understand your frustration but it seems many more school leavers attend Uni now, it's almost become the norm. Not sure what else to say really.

Very true Guy! It does speak volumes for the system though when he's prepared to stop in open rison for longer than he has to do so he can continue his studies.  :-?

We're paying for his upkeep anyway, if in prison.

Might as well spend the time and money constructively, in the hope that he'll leave with something to live for, than spend the time kicking around with other miscreants learning nothing more than new tricks, IMHO.

Kevin

Perhaps Emily shoud've robbed a bank then.    No student debt that way. 

[Kevin Wood]

Perhaps Emily shoud've robbed a bank then.    No student debt that way. 

As someone who benefited from a university education in the days when students got a proper grant that was sufficient to entirely cover their living expenses, I disagree with anyone having to go into debt to get an education, but that's another issue IMHO.

Kevin

[blackviper90210]

I love my Country, but can't stand the softly softly approach to crime.
I've worked full time since leaving school and never claimed benefits. I recently contacted my local IT college to do a course. "No problem, bring your benefits paperwork down and we'll sort it out", I was told?
Explaining that I worked full time and not on benefits, I was suddenly told, "oh, that's £250 per day for the course"!

It was explained if I was on benefits, it would have been paid for, for me!!!

How fetting fair is that?!?!?!