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[albitz]

Historically, Labour spend more than the country earns and wreck the economy - the Tories get back in and fix it.
Btw, Ive never voted Tory in my life and I wont be this time either.

[doog]

If you read the actual words he used and read the interview he gave after his arrest - he doesnt hate gays, he has gay friends etc , he is a very reasonable man BUT his personal beliefs are that homosexuality doesnt comply with the law of god. Agree or disagree if you like, but why is it a crime to hold that belif in this country nowadays ? :-/

What he says in private Albs is between him, his conscience, and God.  What he says in public is another matter, and the way it is said can be construed as inciting hatred and is against the law. 

Believe me when I say these cases can escallate quickly with those of a twisted mind taking action no one wishes to see.

This is typical of this country
 A man of god gets "lifted" for stating his beliefs  yet this sort of thing is tolerated



whats wrong with this country

I blame labour!!

Doug

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

your wasting your time Nick.

Yes, indeed, Albs. Taking up cudgels against someone who believes Gordon Brown is a good steward of the economy is a lost cause! 

Is he not??? Problem caused by the banks and everyone else wants to Cut services via local government to solve the problem. The same people will be the ones who shout when we have another Baby P..........

No Mike, he is arguably the worst steward the British economy has ever had.The point about the banks is arguable to a degree but what isnt arguable is that he proudly boasted of his "light touch" regarding banking regulations administereed by his brainchild the useless FSA. He sold the national gold reserves at the bottom of the market and then lied that he was advised to do so by the treasury and the bank of England.
He levied more than 50 tax increases on the taxpayers, bringing in many billions to the treasury.
The city had the biggest boom in its history while he was chancellor which brought in mind boggling amounts of money to the treasury. He was advised to put some of this money aside for the hard times, but there was no need, he had abolished boom and bust - there would be no hard times.
He not only spent all of the huge revenue which came into the Treasury but he borrowed enormous amounts of money to finance all of the new Labour social engineerin projects.
So when he was proved wrong and boom did indeed turn to bust (it always does) the country was already skint, so he had to embark on a borrowing spree which was previously unimaginable in this country and no matter what he or anyone else says, public spending will have to be cut very deeply very soon.

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......You're not serious are you?. .....greedy banks .....and the greedy inept selfish bastards who run the show have a lot to answer for.....Never mind though....if enough cooks and cleaners on minimum wage tighten their belts for the next few years...then perhaps these poor impoverished bankers may be able to keep their large well deserved bonus payments. However ...I agree with you about the "light touch " regulation it was a disaster. FDR had the right attitude to banks and bankers....

[jerry]

anyone care to comment on the Eastenders islam/gay stotyline then.............



Religion-as opposed to faith-has been at the root of many a war. Freedom of speach is important and ,to a degree, encompassed in that is a right to "offend" the beliefs of others, however, the line must surely be drawn if what someone says is an incitement to either hatred or violence against others.

[Amigo]

I've heard about this on the news. I believe i'm right in saying christianity frowns on such activities so he's not only exercising his right to free speech but also standing by his religion both of which he is perfectly entitled to do. I feel the police were heavy handed in thier actions & if they were acting within thier guidelines then the law in this case most certainly is "a" ass.
    Somebody once said...(Debs told me who last time i quoted it, Voltaire?) "I do not agree with what you say but i defend your right to say it". :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I've heard about this on the news. I believe i'm right in saying christianity frowns on such activities so he's not only exercising his right to free speech but also standing by his religion both of which he is perfectly entitled to do. I feel the police were heavy handed in thier actions & if they were acting within thier guidelines then the law in this case most certainly is "a" ass.
    Somebody once said...(Debs told me who last time i quoted it, Voltaire?) "I do not agree with what you say but i defend your right to say it". :-/

.............and John Locke (1632 - 1704) would add everyone is entitled to their God given freedom, providing it hurts no one else, with us all entering into a social contract with society in general.