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[tyreburner]

Didnt make sweden above minus 8 for a whole bloody month whilst i was fitting seats to a stadium though 

[Banjax]

yeah, I'm bored of a debate where the toys fly out the pram at the merest hint of the words "delusional" "idiot" or "cherry-picked non scientific wibblings masquerading as scientific facts" too.

and on that basis - i say let Nickbat continue - no one reads the links anyway (oops.....sorry NB)...but err...good luck with the whole "conspiracy" thing mind 

[Dishevelled Den]

Whilst many in the membership ignore threads like this - which is fair enough, takes all sorts and all that - others find them interesting. (Including me)

I'm glad that Nick takes the time to highlight matters which, if ignored, may well have serious consequences for each and every one of us.

I concede to you point of view Z but would counter by saying.

This is a car forum which has a gendiss section where any and all subjects are a welcome discussion piece.

When that section regularly (dare I say repeatedly?) gets threads about a subject that only perhaps the same 4 posters reply on, chapter and verse, without any sign of swavering opinions (other than this one, initially....) is that condusive to the overall health of the forum?

My very personal opinion (and not that of an admin) is that climate change has been done to absolute death on here and its time for the combattants to retire to their respective corners and try to come up with something new and appealling to discuss....   

Yes I do empathise with you H.  I have no doubt that many on the Forum take the work done by the admin/moderation team for granted.

This is an emotive subject for some but when these discussions begin to cause difficulty for those who cannot ignore them then I do agree that it's time to stop.

I'm more than happy to do so for the sake of harmony, freshness and the sanity of the moderators.

[hotel21]

.....I'm more than happy to do so for the sake of harmony, freshness and the sanity of the moderators.

Its not simply the sanity of the mods, although that does play a part.  We appreciate that folks of different political and similar persuasions use OOF but, if you look back through the climate threads then, in general, its always the same folks who add in their thoughts and the threads are generally ignored by the remainder of the OOF rank and file as they are overpowered by the main posters.

Place yourself as one of the rank and file...

Cheez! ANOTHER climate thread.  'Kin Eck!   

Hopefully you see my point which, incidentally, is not meant as confrontational or that of a mod.  Simply that of a long time OOFer making comment.... 

[miked]

Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.

As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'.  If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)

With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis.  Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy.  Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate.  If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.

[Banjax]

Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.

As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'.  If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)

With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis.  Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy.  Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate.  If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.

That would be dreadfully unfair on the deniers 

[Dishevelled Den]

.....I'm more than happy to do so for the sake of harmony, freshness and the sanity of the moderators.

Its not simply the sanity of the mods, although that does play a part.  We appreciate that folks of different political and similar persuasions use OOF but, if you look back through the climate threads then, in general, its always the same folks who add in their thoughts and the threads are generally ignored by the remainder of the OOF rank and file as they are overpowered by the main posters.

Place yourself as one of the rank and file...

Cheez! ANOTHER climate thread.  'Kin Eck!   

Hopefully you see my point which, incidentally, is not meant as confrontational or that of a mod.  Simply that of a long time OOFer making comment.... 

I didn't consider any of your remarks to be confrontational at all H and I do accept them for what they are - an honest opinion made without agenda on a matter which is causing some problems for the Forum in general

I'm a great believer in dealing with things before they get beyond the threshold of reason and, from that perspective, fully support your opinion and stance on this

[hotel21]

Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.

As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'.  If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)

With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis.  Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy.  Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate.  If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.

Howdoo Mike. Good to see you back.  Was just discussing Drax somewhere else a short while ago. 

Agree that the gendiss area is a sort of ;'anything goes' type place (within the forum guidelines) but the point I was clumsily trying to make was that global warming, to me, has been overdoone and its moved on somewhat from 'refreshing' to 'boring' in my eyes.  That you have a different take on it, fine. 

I further observed that its always the same small group of folks who post on said threads but seem to be overwhelmed by the more vociferous posters who seem keen to always have their voices/comments at the top of the pile.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well I actually find these types of post by Nickbat refreshing, interesting and a breath of fresh air.

As for 'This is a car forum', there are lots of non car related issues debated and this was posted in the 'General Discussion Area'.  If moderators who have to read every post are getting fed up, stop being a moderator (where do you get the time from anyway?)

With all due respect to people such as Lizzie, your arguments simply lack a factual basis.  Wind turbines are not going to solve the problem of clean energy.  Research the subject and you could have an interesting debate.  If your not that bothered, don't reply to such threads.

You have obviously not read through all the threads on this subject and digested what I have stated endlessly over many, many months, analysing and quoting experts in this field, but I note you are new to the site so how would you know?!

I do "bother", a word dream't up by Nick thank you!! It is clear that you cannot be bothered to even read a post on just the previous page This is what I said:

"Do you know Nick I am just too tired of repeating myself and reading these repetitive threads over what seems like years to care anymore !! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are of course right and everyone else is wrong Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  So why am I wasting my time discussing this endless and pointless point on a car forum?

Whatever! It is far easier to just say that and move on!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Wink"

 But do not worry I AM tired of discussing the same old thing over and over again, with as Ht21 rightly points out nothing actually new being discussed and the same corners being held by the participants, so I will not be replying to such threads as you so kindly suggest!!

[hotel21]

....You have obviously not read through all the threads on this subject and digested what I have stated endlessly over many, many months, analysing and quoting experts in this field, but I note you are new to the site so how would you know?!

Ms Zoom, I suggest that you look up the profile of Miked in the members list.  Not that I condone seniority but would tactfully suggest that he has been arounf OOF for longer than your good self, quite possibly... 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

....You have obviously not read through all the threads on this subject and digested what I have stated endlessly over many, many months, analysing and quoting experts in this field, but I note you are new to the site so how would you know?!

Ms Zoom, I suggest that you look up the profile of Miked in the members list.  Not that I condone seniority but would tactfully suggest that he has been arounf OOF for longer than your good self, quite possibly... 

Ok fine, but he has not obviously read all the 'Climate' threads to make such an observation!  I do not remember him ever contributing to any / many!

Sorry Ht, and I apologise to Miked, but if I am attacked then I do fight back like any strong women does!

This is another reason why I will stop all comment on 'Cliamate Change' threads with immediate effect.  Feelings on this run far too strong, on a subject where each camp has its own entrenched views.

[miked]

I don't post very oftern so it may appear that I am new to the forum 

Working in the electricity industry, listening to the the wind, wave, sun fraternity can be rather frustrating.

Anyway, Drax is attempting to aid the UK into a low carbon economy (see our website re Biomass).  What it means for me is some very interesting control system mods 

Now if it would be of more interest to the folks on this forum, I could enter into an interesting discussion about my E320, stopping water leaks into the boot, CAN bus issues with ancillary lighting.  Sticking heater control valves......... Its still a nice car though.

[miked]

Feelings on this run far too strong, on a subject where each camp has its own entrenched views.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve our environment for our children, and our children's children.

Anyway, Omega 3.0 Elite Auto, nice machine, what fuel are you running it on?  I'm only getting 24 to 28 from my E320

[Amigo]

Guess what? I could'nt care less. Maybe i should but i don't. If it's ever going to go tits up which is debatable it won't affect me or anyone alive who is dear to me for a few generations yet so why should i or anyone else get bogged down with it? None of us will change the world.
   If you are that bothered why are you driving Omegas?

[Terbs]

Guess what? I could'nt care less. Maybe i should but i don't. If it's ever going to go tits up which is debatable it won't affect me or anyone alive who is dear to me for a few generations yet so why should i or anyone else get bogged down with it? None of us will change the world.
   If you are that bothered why are you driving Omegas?

And like it or not...I'm afraid I agree all the way
Call me selfish if you wish.....water off a ducks back