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LPG question....
« on: 20 August 2007, 23:34:07 »

Hi all,

I have a Zavoli lpg system fitted to my 2.5V6. It was fitted about 2yrs ago now.

The problem now is that the switchover to gas seems to happen too soon from cold now, causing a second or two of hesitation before clearing.

Does anyone know what I should be looking at to solve this. Is there some sort of temperature sensor fitted somewhere.
I will try and post some pics of the system tomorrow too, but if anyone has any ideas.....

Thanks,
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Re: LPG question....
« Reply #1 on: 20 August 2007, 23:38:16 »

There is a temp sensor on the Vap to measure the coolent temp it should switch ove rwhen the coolent get to about 40Degs but you can set it to switch at 30ish as the gas will still vap at that temp.

Sounds like yours is changing to gas at a to low temp, If your Vap gos white with frost the gas is flipping over when the water temp is far to low
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Re: LPG question....
« Reply #2 on: 20 August 2007, 23:45:42 »

Is there any way of checking this sensor?

Also, there is a brass `fitting` with two wires connected to it on the pipe runnong up to the `injectors` from the vaporizer.
These wires did break off and I have tried re-connecting them. Just not sure what this `fitting` actually does......

When the system was first fitted, due to the way the vap has been plumbed in, after HBV, the vap was freezing up as it was getting no hot water feed when the heater was set to cold.....!
Ideally I need to change the way the vap is fed, because at the moment, the vac pipe to the HBV is blocked off to prevent this.

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« Reply #3 on: 21 August 2007, 09:50:56 »

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Is there any way of checking this sensor?

Also, there is a brass `fitting` with two wires connected to it on the pipe runnong up to the `injectors` from the vaporizer.
These wires did break off and I have tried re-connecting them. Just not sure what this `fitting` actually does......

When the system was first fitted, due to the way the vap has been plumbed in, after HBV, the vap was freezing up as it was getting no hot water feed when the heater was set to cold.....!
Ideally I need to change the way the vap is fed, because at the moment, the vac pipe to the HBV is blocked off to prevent this.

Thanks

Evaporator feed


There will be a pressure sensor on the injector pipework, may be changing early due to this.
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Re: LPG question....
« Reply #4 on: 21 August 2007, 23:08:00 »

Thanks Martin... :y

I will try and modify the vaporizer feeds asap - thanks for the pic...

Still haven't got any pics done so you can see the system....i will try for tomorrow...
Is the brass piece with the broken wires the pressure sensor?  It is located on the gas piping just before it gets to the injectors.....

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« Reply #5 on: 22 August 2007, 10:05:14 »

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Thanks Martin... :y

I will try and modify the vaporizer feeds asap - thanks for the pic...

Still haven't got any pics done so you can see the system....i will try for tomorrow...
Is the brass piece with the broken wires the pressure sensor?  It is located on the gas piping just before it gets to the injectors.....

Thanks


Most likely it is
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Re: LPG question....
« Reply #6 on: 22 August 2007, 11:48:22 »

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There is a temp sensor on the Vap to measure the coolent temp it should switch ove rwhen the coolent get to about 40Degs but you can set it to switch at 30ish as the gas will still vap at that temp.

Sounds like yours is changing to gas at a to low temp, If your Vap gos white with frost the gas is flipping over when the water temp is far to low

Correctly plumbed and with a cooling system in good working order (including appropriate anti-freeze mix) it will work at more or less any temperature. It is a myth that the gas won't evaporate at less than 30 degrees or 40 degrees or whatever, propane evaporates at well below the freezing point of water. The main issue is that the latent energy of evaporation needs to come from somewhere, which is the coolant supply to the vapouriser. Even if this water is cold, it still has plenty of energy to supply to evaporate the gas. As long as the water doesn't freeze, it doesn't actually need to be hot -- this is why, as long as you have sufficient anti-freeze in the system (which will prevent freezing down to -20 or less), and the cooling system is in good working order with the vapouriser correctly plumbed ensuring a good continous flow of coolant through the system, you'll have no issues with the liquified gas failing to evaporate.

Think of it this way, with good flow and a correct anti-freeze mix, the vapouriser will have to cool over 10 litres of coolant to close to -20 degrees, quicker than the engine heat can replace the heat lost to evaporation (plus the usual system losses, but these should be small while the thermostat is closed). It's not an issue except in climates far colder than we see in the UK. The real reason for starting on petrol is to ensure the petrol system gets regular use, preventing it from failing, and to compensate for poorly installed systems that can't provide enough coolant flow when cold (an issue that my Omega currently has and I intend to rectify when I get time).
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« Reply #7 on: 22 August 2007, 13:07:02 »

So when are you replumbing then Paul?
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« Reply #8 on: 22 August 2007, 15:49:52 »

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So when are you replumbing then Paul?

Don't know it's been on the agenda for yonks, but the main problem is I don't have many tools at my house which usually means a trip to my folks on a suitably quiet weekend. I've had loads of stuff on recently, so haven't been there in a while.

It's one of those jobs where there's no real urgency, it's been running mostly OK since I got it, but it's nice to get it done properly -- after which I'm sure it will run fine on gas from cold. I've driven several other dual-fuel cars that would switch onto gas on the first blip of the throttle, so within a few seconds you're running on gas, and it worked perfectly even in the depths of our (rather mild) winter.
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Re: LPG question....
« Reply #9 on: 22 August 2007, 22:48:10 »

Thanks a lot guys

So re-plumbing the vaporizer feed looks like the way to go then....
At the moment there is a leak from where they plumbed into the coolant pipes, so anti-freeze concentration not always good as it should be.
I will re-plumb the system properly when i get chance....

Thanks again   :y

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