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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #60 on: 03 March 2009, 23:08:49 »

Don't know those particular products myself but that's just a pre-amp meaning that you'll need a power amp too.

Take a step back first: What source do you listen to most of the time? If it's vinyl there may be some mileage in getting a nice valve preamp with a phono stage although 500 quid is a lot to spend on one, and that one doesn'[t even appear to have a phono stage. It's just an input selector and a volume control. Personally I think a phono stage might as well be solid state. They are much quieter.

If you're going to be listening to sources with a line-level output that will just be an expensive volume control because these sources will drive a valve power amp directy. Better to spend the money on a power amp.

Something like this would be a much better way to spend 500 quid there IMHO. http://www.iconaudio.com/Stereo25.html

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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #61 on: 03 March 2009, 23:10:40 »

Forgot to say - first of all, listen to a few of these devices and make sure they're what you want.

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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #62 on: 04 March 2009, 06:46:18 »

I listen to anything between the lines of Some Jazz to Drum n bass.


Also a big metal fan.

I have a large varient in music taste.
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« Reply #63 on: 04 March 2009, 08:16:05 »

There are what I can only describe as 'rather expensive'

I would go down the kit route, importing one from the US is a viable option and most of what you need to do is basic soldering and tin bashing to knock up an enclosure.

This is a good little unit

http://store.tubedepot.com/diy-k-16ls.html
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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #64 on: 04 March 2009, 08:24:14 »

Or, cheaper and lower power but with lots of 'modification advice available'

http://store.tubedepot.com/diy-k12m.html
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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #65 on: 04 March 2009, 11:06:40 »

It's a shame these are no longer available:
http://wduk.worldomain.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1790&page=3

That's what I started off with and it was about right. Reasonable quality parts and based on a proven design so you ended up with a good sounding amplifier from day one. Plenty of tweaks you can do but you won't end up having to chuck it out and start again. Useable power output (20w RMS rated but will make 30-35 watts before distortion goes skyward and is in class A up to 15 watts). IIRC, it cost somewhere between £200 and £300 to build mine. I did build it as a dual monoblock though. The power supply was woefully underrated to cope with a stereo pair.

It does look like the original author of the Maplin article might be gearing up to sell kits again (he still sells the transformers - NOTE: the ones Maplin now sell are not as good as the originals):

http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/homepage.html

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« Reply #66 on: 04 March 2009, 11:24:49 »

The trouble with the Maplin kits was the price (to high) and when teted, they got mixed reviews (I guess to much corner cutting on the components)

I remember the mains transformers getting stupidly hot.

I am thinking of getting one of the US kits for myself given the excellent price.
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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #67 on: 04 March 2009, 13:41:45 »

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The trouble with the Maplin kits was the price (to high) and when teted, they got mixed reviews (I guess to much corner cutting on the components)

I remember the mains transformers getting stupidly hot.

The mains transformers were simply not up to running a stereo pair.

They take 80 watts idle power consumption per channel and you can tell just by looking at that transformer that it's going to be on the ragged edge delivering 160 watts before you even start! Add to that the radiated heat from the valve anodes and it does get unacceptably hot.

As a pair of monoblocks, however, they are not bad. The mains transformers buzz a little more than I would like, mainly, I suspect, because they did away with a choke input filter.

The amps themselves are fine, though. They have been in use as my main amps pretty much continuously since I built them in '96/97 and are still on the original valves, still sound good and measure well.

The only thing that lets them down, IMHO, is the LF response. Partly, perhaps, because the output transformers are not as generously rated as they could be and partly down to the cathode bias arrangement, which "pumps up" as the amp is driven into class B trying to drive LF, biasing the output valves further off. Suffice it to say that if you like punchy bass when it's turned up loud these might not be the amps for you. They can sound little wooly on some material. I will eventually change mine to a fixed bias setup or add an op-amp bias servo so I can ground the cathodes, and see what that brings. Of course the ideal arrangement would probably be to filter out the LF and use a solid state amp for that, and let the valves handle the midrange where they excel.

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I am thinking of getting one of the US kits for myself given the excellent price.

It would be interesting to see what they're like.

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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #68 on: 04 March 2009, 13:51:35 »

The K12 design gets some excellent ratings

http://diyaudioprojects.com/Tubes/K-12M_bh/

Plus easy enough to get it up that extra notch with a very small amount of fiddling with.
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« Reply #69 on: 04 March 2009, 18:42:00 »

Mark those kits look very intresting!

Are they fairly easy to solder up?

I am a dab hand with woodwork so a case would not be a problem.

My Router will sort that1!
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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #70 on: 04 March 2009, 19:04:36 »

I'm sure one of us would happily do the soldering, if you like, although none of it will be that challenging.

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« Reply #71 on: 04 March 2009, 19:53:55 »

That would be exelent Kev, could have dinner at mine and a coffee or two  ;D
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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #72 on: 04 March 2009, 19:54:04 »

Yep, about an hour or twos soldering in that tops.
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Re: Amplfier wire route
« Reply #73 on: 04 March 2009, 20:04:01 »

I think my Goodmans in there life in the day may have already seem Valve Amplification?

Would be nice to give them it back!
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