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[Shackeng]

Be aware that I am not talking cash pay back figures (as they are not real due to the stupid inflated feed in charge) I am talking the time to produce the same quantity of energy required to make them!.

At no point have I talked financials as that is not a level playing field!

I am very keen to see the subsidised feed in rates got rid of and the money used to make renewables work properly as today, they are practicaly useless.

No, I appreciate that, we are both talking about carbon payback.  I only use the output figure to show that the authorities appear to be treading warily when quoting figures. So if you can point me to some definitive statement contradicting the link vis-a-vis carbon payback I posted, I would be very grateful.

[I_want_an_Omega]

I think we are all in "violent agreement" here 

[Shackeng]

Another more up to date (2010) link here, http://zeroemissionproject.com/blog/article/40/do-photovoltaic-solar-panels-need-more-energy-to-be-manufactured-than-what-they-generate states carbon/energy payback in the UK is about two years.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Be aware that I am not talking cash pay back figures (as they are not real due to the stupid inflated feed in charge) I am talking the time to produce the same quantity of energy required to make them!.

At no point have I talked financials as that is not a level playing field!

I am very keen to see the subsidised feed in rates got rid of and the money used to make renewables work properly as today, they are practicaly useless.

No, I appreciate that, we are both talking about carbon payback.  I only use the output figure to show that the authorities appear to be treading warily when quoting figures. So if you can point me to some definitive statement contradicting the link vis-a-vis carbon payback I posted, I would be very grateful.

As already said, you wont find the info on the web and I certainly wont be revealing the results as its more than my jobs worth.

However, I am very aware that it is one of the only truely independent set of tests carried out in a controled way (and hence why the manufacturers were so interested!).

The energy figure is based on extraction through to completed instal (and not just the production costs the government figures are based on)

[Shackeng]

Thanks for that Mark, I have written to Chris Huhne asking for clarification, because from what you say, it sounds very like a conspiracy to mislead the public.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Thanks for that Mark, I have written to Chris Huhne asking for clarification, because from what you say, it sounds very like a conspiracy to mislead the public.

For a second there, you almost sounded surprised!

The governments have to meet targets and being the kings of spin, will give out what ever info drives thier 'chosen' techs to meet them.....despite them having not an ounce of real knowledge in the subjects!

[Shackeng]

Yes, I don't know why, as a confirmed cynic, I should expect anything other.