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[Kevin Wood]

I`m watching this and other LPG posts with growing interest in the 'possibilites'.

I have a large stored-source of cheap(ish) Liquid Propane in my garden; from the 1000 ltr. central heating fuel-tank!.

I pay significantly less than the petrol station prices for bulk LPG delivery, but wonder what pressure the car system`s LPG tanks accept for refueling: anyone know?

Go for it. Storage pressure is determined by the vapour pressure of the gas, so it will be the same. You just need a transfer pump, and to make sure that there is an outlet for liquid from the botom of your tank. A central heating system will probably be fed from vapour from the top of the tank.

Do a search for "transfer pump" on ebay.

Oh, and unlike heating oil, red diesel, etc. there is no way to trace LPG.

We have a setup at the gliding club for filling our winches, which run on LPG. It's a large bulk tank exactly like a central heating tank with an electric pump feeding a fairly standard filling nozzle. Connect it up, switch on the pump until the tank's full.

Kevin

[Marie]

I`m watching this and other LPG posts with growing interest in the 'possibilites'.

I have a large stored-source of cheap(ish) Liquid Propane in my garden; from the 1000 ltr. central heating fuel-tank!.

I pay significantly less than the petrol station prices for bulk LPG delivery, but wonder what pressure the car system`s LPG tanks accept for refueling: anyone know?

Go for it. Storage pressure is determined by the vapour pressure of the gas, so it will be the same. You just need a transfer pump, and to make sure that there is an outlet for liquid from the botom of your tank. A central heating system will probably be fed from vapour from the top of the tank.

Do a search for "transfer pump" on ebay.

Oh, and unlike heating oil, red diesel, etc. there is no way to trace LPG.

We have a setup at the gliding club for filling our winches, which run on LPG. It's a large bulk tank exactly like a central heating tank with an electric pump feeding a fairly standard filling nozzle. Connect it up, switch on the pump until the tank's full.

Kevin

So kevin when are we converting yours. :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ i dont mind helping you. rolling around under the car dont bother me.  

i would like to return the help at some point

[Entwood]

KW .. those are the guys who top the list at the moment ...  I've spoken to "Patrick" and he seems to know what he's on about ..... he reckons  a week to do the job, but provides a courtesy car, a 1000 mile check, "flashlube" included...  

Patrick's the chap we spoke to. Only had a chat with him as I said but he seemed competent and was happy to advise us despite the fact we only bought a couple of bits and pieces.

Whilst I would be happy to help, this weekend has shown it requires 3 people who are confident with working on cars to get close to doing one in a weekend and even then we were in the garage all waking hours and I felt a little sorry for Mrs. KW because the only time she saw us all weekend was to bring us food to eat on the job, bless her.

James being out of circulation when he would probably have been happy to come and help in return for a contribution to his "guzzler petrol fund" is also an issue.

I also feel a little uneasy about doing a conversion "for" someone rather than "helping" them if that makes sense? There's some fairly major surgery involved and I'd prefer to share the responsibility. :-/

Anyway, if you do come down this way you'll have to pop in. As I say, he's only a couple of miles up the road. I'd also be very interested in having a look over the result.

Kevin

These points are all in line with my thinking. I have just invested quite a large amount in buying this car, and if you price the "commercial" fit versus the "DIY fit" as well as the car cost, then spread that over even 5 years (ok I'd like 10 but lets be sensible/cautious/realistic) then the difference is very small in either monthly cost or cost-per-mile.

I could get a £1200 1 day job done in cardiff - but I don't trust that quote at all - If the job is being done it is being done properly - so its a decent garage or the OOF-ers

I'm in the fortunate position of being able to afford to do this, and I'd rather not risk the goodwill/friendship of folks on the forum if something were to go wrong, so the decent garage option is winning.

I am happy ( ) to steal your thoughts and advice, but I won't steal your time and effort  ....

I'd love to drop in for a coffee if/when we eventually get the job done.

It's good to know you rate "Patrick" as it instantly moves him even further ahead of the others ...

I take Maries points as well, but she is obviously far more capable than I, and can do the little jobs to finish her install off, even those are probably beyond my knowledge, unless there is a "how to" with photo's !!
  
Does any of that make sense ??

[tunnie]

Hi
As most of you know by now I'm researching the LPG conversion - and probably boring you all to bits ...

Latest question... regards mapping...

In a conversation today with a possible contender ... he said the BRC system did NOT require ANY mapping as the LPG ECU took its signals directly from the petrol injector ECU and so used the "normal" signals as required ... if the petrol ECU decides the system nedes more fuel, the gas ECU provides it, the only additional thing done is to actually turn off the petrol injectors when they are not required.

This makes the BRC system simpler and more reliable as it never requires fiddly re-mapping.

Does that make any sense ?? and is it true

Come now, you know the only TRUE condendor is the wonder full Mr Kevin Wood! or JayW!  

I would honestly, bribe a few people here, who know how to LPG the V6, and to do it RIGHT, bribe them with either some notes, beer, women, or all of the above to get the job done right.

Poor Danny here had a tough experiance, and i would hate to see the same thing happen again.

A few little points to make here  

1.  I just don't think its right to burden folks with major work that I'm too incompetent to even help with, and I have no facilities to offer. I know KW, James and Marie have just done one in "nearly" a weekend .. but I can't expect folks to run around after me... and I would not be rude enough to expect any warranty .. lets face it .. the guys would be doing  me a big enough favour in the first place !!

2.  As my intention is to keep the car for about 10 years (if I can), my research, so far, indicates that the BRC system appears to be the present "top-of-the-range" and has the least problems - long term.

3.  The BRC system is not available for DIY but will come with a 2 year warranty.

Those are my present thoughts ... always willing to listen to counter arguments ... this is a major learning process for me ....  

I can understand your thinking...

However, you could buy the best kit in the known Universe, BUT, if its fitted by a Monkey, it will be the crappest system!

The kit is only as good as the person who fits it.

I have taken JamesV6's old 2.5 V6 LPG for a spin, now that run amazingly well on gas! Thats the £450 eBay jobbie. JayW has seen good stuff with it too.

I own a 2.2 and do about 400 miles a month, so for me LPG would take an age to re-coup the costs, however if i did need to LPG, i would be getting that eBay kit and asking for some big favours from people here.

I also know sod all about LPG, but i can pitch in, and learn, often just more hands help.

I would seriously consider an DIY LPG job..... why not do it at the Lakes meet, plenty of experts around!  

[Entwood]

..... why not do it at the Lakes meet, plenty of experts around!  

I'm sure KW and Marie might have views on THAT statement !!!

[Lazydocker]

Debs,

Be very careful that you don't advertise the idea of filling from home otherwise HMRC will be knocking on the door for the unpaid duty!! It is perfectly legal to use a home bulk installation but you must pay the duty.  

As for DIY installation... That's definately the way I intend to go but I'll be asking someone from here to fit nozzles to a "spare" manifold for me as that is really the only bit I'm not 100% confident with!

[tunnie]

..... why not do it at the Lakes meet, plenty of experts around!  

I'm sure KW and Marie might have views on THAT statement !!!

Might be a bit too much beer flowing there  

[Marie]

..... why not do it at the Lakes meet, plenty of experts around!  

I'm sure KW and Marie might have views on THAT statement !!!

Lakes meet would not be a good idea as you would be working flat out to get it done and thats if you had the faclitys.

i was very lucky that Kevins garage is a small gold mine and anything we had overlooked was quickly sorted.

Yes its is a massive favour to ask and a favor that you can return at some point.

i knew nothing about LPG ether but god i have learnt so much and Kevin was a god send as he took the lead with the electrics which made me happy cos i really didnt want that job even though i could have completed it but it would have taken twice as long.  

we all bounced of each other to over come the problems we occured and making decisions when required.
like the tank securing fitting. Top tip the spare wheel tank has holes in specific places for a reason! i made a bad decision which cost us a good 2 hours to fix.
Each of us having our own veiws but going with the best idea/solution!



if you are in the position to have a professional fit then go for it but as you are doing make sure you do your home work.

Go and see the work they have done before. and see if you can get to speak to past customers to see what they thought. i the garage value their work they will point you in the right direction.

[Martin_1962]

Thanks Martin, confims that guy is off the list .. his "selling point" was "never need to remap, no need for checks, 100 % adjustment free etc etc" ....

Flying bacon  

Looks like I'll be going for the BRC system done by the guys near Winchester .. £1850 + VAT  

It may have just been the way he described it

[Martin_1962]

Hi
As most of you know by now I'm researching the LPG conversion - and probably boring you all to bits ...

Latest question... regards mapping...

In a conversation today with a possible contender ... he said the BRC system did NOT require ANY mapping as the LPG ECU took its signals directly from the petrol injector ECU and so used the "normal" signals as required ... if the petrol ECU decides the system nedes more fuel, the gas ECU provides it, the only additional thing done is to actually turn off the petrol injectors when they are not required.

This makes the BRC system simpler and more reliable as it never requires fiddly re-mapping.

Does that make any sense ?? and is it true

Come now, you know the only TRUE condendor is the wonder full Mr Kevin Wood! or JayW!  

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[Kevin Wood]

Gold mine = Full of junk and sh!te  

The lakes meet is for socialising and a little tinkering. Despite having spent practically the whole weekend in a garage it felt like we didn't do any socialising by the time we'd finished. And it's just NOT the type of job you can do in a grassy field.

Kevin

[Martin_1962]

I`m watching this and other LPG posts with growing interest in the 'possibilites'.

I have a large stored-source of cheap(ish) Liquid Propane in my garden; from the 1000 ltr. central heating fuel-tank!.

I pay significantly less than the petrol station prices for bulk LPG delivery, but wonder what pressure the car system`s LPG tanks accept for refueling: anyone know?

Dream position - do it

Pressure is actually quite low - what you require is a transfer pump to pump propane from the tank into the car.

[caddyman]

ive fitted two of these systems,i fitted a omvl to "bumblebee"(works great) and also a u-fit lpg system as fitted to maries omega to a v8 sts caddy and that works bl++dy great.i would recommend u-fit lpg kit anytime

[Kevin Wood]

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You forgot the man who started us all off.

Kevin

[Marie]

Gold mine = Full of junk and sh!te  

The lakes meet is for socialising and a little tinkering. Despite having spent practically the whole weekend in a garage it felt like we didn't do any socialising by the time we'd finished. And it's just NOT the type of job you can do in a grassy field.

Kevin

That was my fault   sorry