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[omega3000]

Just been looking at what stoner was saying about the fall...

"I knew I wasn’t going to be able to pass at the bottom of the hill so I just wanted to turn the bike in underneath and get a good run up to the last corner and that’s where I was confident I could make a pass.

"But as soon as I went to turn the bike in a bit harder the front just went away from me and it was game over.”

Stoner said his bike only suffered minor damage and that had he been given help by marshals he could have re-joined the race and salvaged some points.

He added: “It is disappointing but for me the marshals were the most disappointing. I’ve seen them pick up loads of different bikes and get them going but there was nothing wrong with my bike and there was no way they were going to help me.”

Oh dear 

[feeutfo]

Maybe I read it wrong, but it looked to me like Cal was very good at running in on the brakes, to the point he was almost running into the back of factory riders, and his team mate ESP.
Seems to me, he should be on Spies bike. But I guess Bolotics won't allow that 

[albitz]

Just been looking at what stoner was saying about the fall...

"I knew I wasn’t going to be able to pass at the bottom of the hill so I just wanted to turn the bike in underneath and get a good run up to the last corner and that’s where I was confident I could make a pass.

"But as soon as I went to turn the bike in a bit harder the front just went away from me and it was game over.”

Stoner said his bike only suffered minor damage and that had he been given help by marshals he could have re-joined the race and salvaged some points.

He added: “It is disappointing but for me the marshals were the most disappointing. I’ve seen them pick up loads of different bikes and get them going but there was nothing wrong with my bike and there was no way they were going to help me.”

[/highlight]Oh dear 

See for me he,s like a Mansell on two wheels.Awesome to watch when hes got his helmet on doing his job. you can the aggression and commitment coming out of your tv screen. But when he takes his helmet off and starts talking......oh dear,a huge persecution complex and a complete absence of class as a person.
Most others would just say " I wanted the win,asked the tyres for a bit more grip than they had left,end of".

[omega3000]

Or "i binned it, its a fair cop" 

[Rods2]

Casey Moaner has complained on this marshall issue before as they always rush to help Rossi and ignore him. Now I wonder why? Couldn't be anything to do that they are both outstanding racers, but one is a real character and legend and the other has had a lobotomy. 

Ducati seems to be getting gradually more competitive. Cal Crutchlow is having a good season. It will be interesting to see what happens as Bradley Smith is joining the Tech 3 MotoGP team next season (or will it be delayed another season as he is not exactly setting the world alight in Moto2). Ben Spies has been very disappointing this season.

[feeutfo]

Hardly. Although he is an Australian. His comments on adapting to the Ducati, rather than Ducati making an entire bike to suit a rider (Rossi) are bang on. Something Rossi is clearly not able to do.

[albitz]

No they arent and he knows it.The world and his uncle know the bike is a complete bag of shite. His comments were designed very specifically to needle Rossi & Ducati. He plays paddock politics,but hes quite crude about it due to a distinct lack of grey matter.

[feeutfo]

Utter Rubbish

[albitz]

Any rider in any class from club racing up to MotoGP who changes to a different bike will spend as much time as they can changing and adapting the bike to suit their own style and preferences as much as the design and the regulations allow.It really is that simple and Stoner knows it.
As for Rossis lack of adaptabilty - he took a season to learn 125,s then won the world championship in his second year..He then took a season to learn 250,s then won the world championship in his second year. He then moved up to the big class (500 2 strokes at that time),he won races and came second in the championship in his first  year and won the championship in the second.
They then changed to 990 four strokes,he won the championship, changed again to 800,he won the championship.Moved to Yamaha (who couldnt win a race for love nor money) and won the championship straight away.
Bike racing has never seen the like of him up until he joined Ducati.It is the only blot on his copybook.I hope he jumps ship back to Honda next year and then we will see if he still has it or not. I suspect he would wipe the floor with all of them again,Stoner included. Stoner left Ducati at just the right time,and Rossi joined at them at just the wrong time.
 

[feeutfo]

....and throughout the brilliant carear has been able to thump the desk to get everything changed to suit his own worshipfull self, while pronouncing himself to be the "The Doctor" what rubbish. Undeniable talent of course. Nobody gets to that level wothout talent, and that includes Stoner if he's liked or not. Bolotics however merely proves to dishonest and poisenous input of an individual. It's a refreshing change to see a rider speak his mind without insulting has audience with a load BSotics.
 Quite happy to concede he goes too far with his tantrums at slower riders in qulifying etc. but so what?

All things being equal though Hayden should be more than 7 points behind in the championship, if Rossi is so brilliant currently.

And of course, do we really need to see it written down that the entire motorcycling world would love to see both riders in the same team on the same bike? Seems we are very stupid on here to some.

[albitz]

I said in an earlier post that imo Rossi probably isnt riding the thing at 10/10ths at the moment,as he probably isnt prepared to put his arse on the line for a 6th place or whatever,hes too long in the tooth for that maybe ?
The rest of it - I would need it translated in to comprehensible English tbh.

[feeutfo]

Ah the AndyBedantic school of typing. I'm stuck with gay iPad that makes It up for you I'm afraid. Still, gives the chance to opt out of a losing, Rossi style, position I suppose.

There does seem to be an oddity here though. I mean your quite happy to pronounce quotes as gospel from the like of Senna and that old has been, what was his name, Jill something as Lording the purest form of racing. No money, no polotics, just racing where possible.
 Yet here we are with a rider already stated as to be respected for having a go such as Stoner, couldn't care less for anyone's opinion and just chases the edge continually and unreservedly. Yet what he says off track is somehow more important.

Why is that? Who cares what he says, ESP when "we" are so keen to encourage racing of the purest form. I get the impression the pre race chat is more important to some than the race itself? The scheming and manoeuvring in the padock, the back stabbing and biting behind the scenes.

[albitz]

I have a lot of respect for Stoners talent and desire to win on the track. I just happen to believe that great though he is,he isnt and never will be on Rossi,s level. I have wartched bike racing at all levels since the mid 70,s and I have no doubt whatsoever that Rossi is by far the greatest short circuit racer there has ever been,he is the 2 wheel equivelant of Senna and perhaps Stoner is the two wheeled Mansell - great but not quite on the same level as the greatest.
Off the bike,Rossi is a clever showman/businessman. He has built up and sold "brand Rossi" to a global audience.Not the way I would cunduct my life in his position but I cant blame him e for doing it.Particularily when he does it with the typical Itialian style and flair he utilises.
Off the bike Stoner (like Mansell) is a whinger,is never wrong,always looking for someone to blame. Honest ? hes not even honest with himself. I dont really care about any of that crap tbh, I simply believe that hes a great rider but he isnt on Rossi,s level,end of.
Im not a Rossi fan because of his statistics either.My favourite riders of the last 15 years are Haga,Walker and Gary McCoy,who dont have a title between them. Similarily My all time favourite Ferrari driver is Villenueve,whose statistics show a few wins and no titles,but my least favourite Ferrari driver (and driver of any description) is Scumacher who I detest, and who happens to be statistically the most succesful driver of all time.
The bottom line is we are all entitled to our opinion.The only possible way the Rossi/Stoner debate could be settled is for them both to be riding the same bike,and it looks like that will never happen now that Stoner is retiring.
I happen to have some sympathy with Stoners reasoning (if its genuine). MotoGp (and bike racing in general) is in decline and the next set of rules will probably make things worse rather than better.Globally the biking frenzy of the last 15 years has tailed off and its returning to being a minority interest. Maybe moreso here in Britland where all the blokes who bought into Fogarty (and then Hodgson) mania and went out and bought a Fireblade or whatever have now moved onto playing Golf (if they didnt wipe themselves out in the meantime). They were the types who invaded the track at Silverstone when Mansell won,not realising that there were 20 other cars still racing at 200mph, who waived union jacks at Brands every time Foggy appeared on the track.One of them actually said to me "If this young Rossi kid is so good,why doesnt he step up to WSB and race against Foggy ?".
Now,theyve found a new hero in Rory McIlroy,and found out in the process that its possible for someone from some part of Ireland to be a Brit.

[omega3000]

My favorite was randy mamola , not everyones cup of tea but at least he could have a joke and a laugh  Had the pleasure of shaking hands with rossi yrs ago , very nice bloke 

[feeutfo]

My favorite was randy mamola , not everyones cup of tea but at least he could have a joke and a laugh  Had the pleasure of shaking hands with rossi yrs ago , very nice bloke 

Randy was great too. As where Doohan, Kocinski, Biaggi, etc. even Edwards managed to get booed at Brands in Wsb. Such a fickle audience us bikers.

Most bikers would be great to have a pint with. Except that wingeing polotician Albs perhaps.