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[PaulW]

I almost DO live in an exchange, very close
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data

Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max

The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect.  An thats if you live in the exchange.  Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').

Be worse when 24Mb connections come....

Agreed truce then my Omega knowing friend??  :-/

No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL   - something that I have to understand very well

Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for  

Yes, i suppose we were having a discussion about DSL or xDSL, as to the bandwidth issue, legally Sky anytime can suck up 100gigs/month easy if you want it. Anything d/l on usenet. i make SURE is copyright free...all 200gigs of it. I'm a law abiding citizen.

I'm maxing my 24meg connection a fair bit at times...  Runs at 17.5meg tho given the distance from the exchange (plus have just over 1meg upload)

Running a webserver, mailserver, portage rsync mirror, and distfiles mirror.  I do have an internal proxy setup though to help someway to limiting bandwidth usage, but its mainly as a cache repository for the distfile mirror.

I have 4 machines internally which use the rsync and distfile mirror, so no real affect on bandwidth, but I also have about 6 pals accessing it for when they do updates, and thats when it gets interesting.

Also use p2p for seeding various linux distro cd's (mainly gentoo, some ubuntu), and getting movies and anime which is in the public domain.

Been at it now for around 8 months, and not had 1 bad word from the ISP, or any other issues for that matter!

[Iainv6]

I almost DO live in an exchange, very close
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data

Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max

The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect.  An thats if you live in the exchange.  Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').

Be worse when 24Mb connections come....

Agreed truce then my Omega knowing friend??  :-/

No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL   - something that I have to understand very well

Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for  

Yes, i suppose we were having a discussion about DSL or xDSL, as to the bandwidth issue, legally Sky anytime can suck up 100gigs/month easy if you want it. Anything d/l on usenet. i make SURE is copyright free...all 200gigs of it. I'm a law abiding citizen.

I'm maxing my 24meg connection a fair bit at times...  Runs at 17.5meg tho given the distance from the exchange (plus have just over 1meg upload)

Running a webserver, mailserver, portage rsync mirror, and distfiles mirror.  I do have an internal proxy setup though to help someway to limiting bandwidth usage, but its mainly as a cache repository for the distfile mirror.

I have 4 machines internally which use the rsync and distfile mirror, so no real affect on bandwidth, but I also have about 6 pals accessing it for when they do updates, and thats when it gets interesting.

Also use p2p for seeding various linux distro cd's (mainly gentoo, some ubuntu), and getting movies and anime which is in the public domain.

Been at it now for around 8 months, and not had 1 bad word from the ISP, or any other issues for that matter!

What is your ISP mate? 24mb is UK top whack..

[PaulW]

What is your ISP mate? 24mb is UK top whack..

http://www.bethere.co.uk

Quite lucky our exchange is enabled for them really

[Martin_1962]

I use a fair whack with games, and also downloading TV, I tend to download the programmes as that way they have no BBC3 shite logo on them.

All legally as BT Vision is IPTV and has BBC Iplayer built in.

[Taxi_Driver]

I almost DO live in an exchange, very close
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data

Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max

The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect.  An thats if you live in the exchange.  Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').

Be worse when 24Mb connections come....

Agreed truce then my Omega knowing friend??  :-/

No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL   - something that I have to understand very well

Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for  

I use tiscali....8M....well 1/2 my network does.......the other 1/2....ive no idea   ........but its only 2M  

Its not my fault someone living close to me has a totally unsecured wireless network  

If i knew who it was......id have a word in their shell like.....but until i find out who......one of my pc's connected to their router is on permanent download......yes i use p2p.....

Ive even been playing with their router......changed the admin password so they carnt kick me off   , unless they turn it off.  Ive even disabled the router activity leds to try to give them a clue somebody is playing about with it........but it seems to be falling on deaf ears........
Tho on the upside i have secured their network a tad......ive turned on the firewall on the router......but have enabled a couple of ports i need to use  
They have 2 pc's connected to it.....but both have passwords.......which i could possibly crack.....but carnt be bothered.......so carnt leave em a message (ie change their background with a suitable message)

However said that......i was using my isp for downloading........tho not all the time....maybe a week at time/month......and so far never had a warning email about how much i was downloading......think its a case of not taking the 'mick'  

[TheBoy]

I am with Plusnet, not far from my exchange.



I still have have the old Premier style account.

Been on it from the satrt.

I can download, what I want, as much as I want whenever I want it.

Just recently with the higher bandwidth speeds they have applied a fair usage policy.  I am capped from 4 pm untill midnight (dunno the limit)

I have had speeds upto 7546 KB/s they vary dependend on holidays etc, will speed back up soon as people go to bed.

I dont really down load at all these days, but when I do its the usual windows install/updates etc.

To get that sort of upload, you must be on one of their LLU products, we were discussing BT Wholesale products.

Plusnet have had soft caps on all their products except PAYG for about 4yrs - under different names, but always been there.  Also the first of the big ISPs to aggressively implement quite harsh traffic shaping.

Saying that, as a ISP, Plusnet not too bad, but don't use their mail or web services (they will lose the data ), and their traffic shaping means you can't use anyone elses VoIP

[TheBoy]

I use a fair whack with games, and also downloading TV, I tend to download the programmes as that way they have no BBC3 naffe logo on them.

All legally as BT Vision is IPTV and has BBC Iplayer built in.

Oh yes it is.  BBC pay royalities to be able to distribute a time limited version.

[Martin_1962]

I use a fair whack with games, and also downloading TV, I tend to download the programmes as that way they have no BBC3 naffe logo on them.

All legally as BT Vision is IPTV and has BBC Iplayer built in.

Oh yes it is.  BBC pay royalities to be able to distribute a time limited version.

The time out is quite frustrating. You have to remember to watch before it times out. I occasionally watch Horizon but forget to record it so use the IPTV instead.

I watched Doctor Who Confidential last night, this streaming hammers my connection but the bandwidth used is NOT counted towards my monthly figures.

I am going to have to put a lock on it before the children find loads of programmes for 49p.

You can see a little artifacting on the BTV streams and the sound is a bit deader, but you don't have a pink three staring at you all through the programme (I took DWC off series record and now avoid BBC3 totally - just stream them with BTV).

OK I will go as far as saying for BBC3 stuff BTV is the best method.

BBC3 itself - bright pink logo
Kontiki programmes - BBC in corner, no better than BTV
Flash stream - rubbish quality
BTV stream - qualtiy better no logos

And if you are on BT Broadband you get a box (which is also a Freeview PVR) for FREE!

[Martin_1962]

Some more here

http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm

[TheBoy]

Some more here

http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm

Or just use a media center

[Kevin Wood]

Some more here

http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm

Or just use a media center

.. or a Television?  

Kevin

[TheBoy]

Some more here

http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm

Or just use a media center

.. or a Television?  

Kevin

Or simply get a life, and not become a couch potato

[Kevin Wood]

Yep. Don't be so sad. Spend all your evenings in the garage swearing at bits of car instead.

Kevin

[Martin_1962]

Some more here

http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm

Or just use a media center

.. or a Television?  

Kevin

I have a SONY one

[Kevin Wood]

Some more here

http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm

Or just use a media center

.. or a Television?  

Kevin

I have a SONY one

Really?   [size=8]Me too.[/size]