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[tunnie]

Why bother with cheap shit kit? Plenty of breakers here will sell you HID lights from a higher spec model, also factory fit wash system too & levelling sensor.

[Andyv6]

I found the flickering and not coming on  down to a faulty ballast on a kit I used to have, got rid of them in the end.
As for MOT not yet part of the test, but do fit washers as mentiond they do make a big difference.

[Brikhead]

That's the kit I have that adds ballasts and bulbs. Do you know why this happens?

How much did you pay for the kit?
Proper bulbs are at least £35-£55 EACH.
http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=d2s+xenon&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1416&bih=774&wrapid=tlif134807346380010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2452618621586455015&sa=X&ei=G_hZUJq3H7SU0QW-1YGoAw&ved=0CF8Q8wIwAA

Or £90 each for Halfrauds (presumably) no name specials...
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_824285_langId_-1_categoryId_165538#tab1

[TheBoy]

DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.

Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system

Plain as plain.

Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.


As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.

[lee4206]

I wouldn't bother fitting cheap Hids...  Being a mot tester almost every car I've tested with the cheap kits fitted is a border line fail as the image is terrible and the light output is about the same if not worse than a standard bulb.
lee

[RobG]

DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.

Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system

Plain as plain.

Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.


As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.

That is the DfT`s understanding of what the law requires. Ultimately it`s for the courts to interpret it as they see fit in each particular case

[plym ian]

why is every one so obsessed with the washers mines got xenons no washers and it's passed 2 mot's since I fitted them

[albitz]

Because when the lenses get grubby the lights are useless.

[albitz]

Bulb on way out?

Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too 

Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment

Good point well presented 

I`ve got the conversion on mine (CD) and mentioned it at the MOT on Monday and that was the answer given to me by the tester

I checked with my MOT tester recently too (car is booked in for this Friday) and he said exactly the same thing.
I dont buy the argument that HID,s without S/l will automatically blind other drivers. I know from when I had badly adjusted lights that oncoming drivers will flash you if your blinding them,as will drivers you have been behind if you overtake them. This never happens with my HID,s.

[Andyv6]

why is every one so obsessed with the washers mines got xenons no washers and it's passed 2 mot's since I fitted them

When road dirt gets on the light lenses it reflects the light in all directions blinding road user's more than if the lenses were clean.
After market xenons or retro fit have no bearing on MOT as long as they work and give out a good light pattern they will pass at the time of test, and don't forget MOT is a test to say at the time of test the car was roadworthy, after that it don't mean jack.
Construction of use is a different matter, that's what Mr police man will come out with when you blind him.

[tunnie]

Having HIDs on the elite when you have been driving for sometimes a short period of time, with lights on and then washing screen, you realise how much light output drops.

Ask yourself why they are fitted from new 

[Mr Skrunts]

I get confused with all this.

Questions

1.  Are the headlights the same on HID setups and standard bulbbs?

2.  Self leveling, is that utilising the rear suspention or automatically using the height adjuster in the headlights.

[Andyv6]

Xenon's and halogen lights are different
Self leveling is the rear shocks that inflate when heavy loads are in boot or fat people in back seats, but xenon's have leveling sensors on front and rear axles that adjust the adjusters in the lights.

[TheBoy]

1.  Are the headlights the same on HID setups and standard bulbbs?

No. And the HID ones are type approved for HIDs

2.  Self leveling, is that utilising the rear suspention or automatically using the height adjuster in the headlights.

On Omega, there is a fast acting levelling system, with sensors on front and rear suspension, and ECU, and servos in each headlight. DfT say suspension levelling is 'acceptable'

[TheBoy]

DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.

Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system

Plain as plain.

Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.


As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.

That is the DfT`s understanding of what the law requires. Ultimately it`s for the courts to interpret it as they see fit in each particular case

Not quite, thats what DfT think is reasonable (and I think their views are reasonable - retrofits should be to same standards/spec as factory).