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[TheBoy]

Meh, Omega brakes are utter shite anyway.

Don't get me wrong, they'll stop you from 100-0 very well....... once.

What I don't understand is, the car has reasonable size discs (all round) decent pad surface....... but overheat quickly.

My e39 (similar size and weight) will stop numerous times in quick succession without brake fade. Why?

Good for appox 10-12 of those in reasonably quick succession if the brakes are serviced properly, but abused to that level, the pads never recover.  (Based on TC pads, GM discs, and standard GM DOT4 fluid).

The car is simply too heavy for the size of its discs if you do track style driving.

[TheBoy]

Its not just capacity either, pedal feel and level of servo assistance are exceptionally poor, for my taste.

Having owned (in addition to company vehicles) a few samll/medium sized Fords, I prefer the Omega feel. I feel its more controllable.

But, agreed, after a week driving a shitbox focus, jumping in a 3.0l Omega with cold TC pads, there was an element of clench when approaching the carpark barrier

[chrisgixer]

Its not just capacity either, pedal feel and level of servo assistance are exceptionally poor, for my taste.

Having owned (in addition to company vehicles) a few samll/medium sized Fords, I prefer the Omega feel. I feel its more controllable.

But, agreed, after a week driving a shitbox focus, jumping in a 3.0l Omega with cold TC pads, there was an element of clench when approaching the carpark barrier

Absolutely

Drive ANY other car, the brakes have more assistance. Jump back in the omega, CHRIST! , but the brain soon re calibrates when scared

There are a few options that "look" like they might work. 18" wheels helps. Alot!

[TheBoy]

Its not just capacity either, pedal feel and level of servo assistance are exceptionally poor, for my taste.

Having owned (in addition to company vehicles) a few samll/medium sized Fords, I prefer the Omega feel. I feel its more controllable.

But, agreed, after a week driving a shitbox focus, jumping in a 3.0l Omega with cold TC pads, there was an element of clench when approaching the carpark barrier

Absolutely

Drive ANY other car, the brakes have more assistance. Jump back in the omega, CHRIST! , but the brain soon re calibrates when scared

There are a few options that "look" like they might work. 18" wheels helps. Alot!

Not sure I want my assistance to the brakes. Durability, maybe - you can never have enough brake durability .  That said, you have to drive pretty hard to get any brake problems.  (Note, talking about road use - they wouldn't stand up to track)

[chrisgixer]

Its not just capacity either, pedal feel and level of servo assistance are exceptionally poor, for my taste.

Having owned (in addition to company vehicles) a few samll/medium sized Fords, I prefer the Omega feel. I feel its more controllable.

But, agreed, after a week driving a shitbox focus, jumping in a 3.0l Omega with cold TC pads, there was an element of clench when approaching the carpark barrier

Absolutely

Drive ANY other car, the brakes have more assistance. Jump back in the omega, CHRIST! , but the brain soon re calibrates when scared

There are a few options that "look" like they might work. 18" wheels helps. Alot!

Not sure I want my assistance to the brakes. Durability, maybe - you can never have enough brake durability .  That said, you have to drive pretty hard to get any brake problems.  (Note, talking about road use - they wouldn't stand up to track)

One option

Probably wont fit in an oe 17" wheel.

[Shackeng]

I guess you are all referring to petrol models. As I have mentioned before, my TD estate stops far better than the 3.2 Elite, both on TC pads on the front. Why?

[dbug]

Its not just capacity either, pedal feel and level of servo assistance are exceptionally poor, for my taste.

Having owned (in addition to company vehicles) a few samll/medium sized Fords, I prefer the Omega feel. I feel its more controllable.

But, agreed, after a week driving a shitbox focus, jumping in a 3.0l Omega with cold TC pads, there was an element of clench when approaching the carpark barrier

Absolutely

Drive ANY other car, the brakes have more assistance. Jump back in the omega, CHRIST! , but the brain soon re calibrates when scared

There are a few options that "look" like they might work. 18" wheels helps. Alot!

Not sure I want my assistance to the brakes. Durability, maybe - you can never have enough brake durability .  That said, you have to drive pretty hard to get any brake problems.  (Note, talking about road use - they wouldn't stand up to track)

One option

Probably wont fit in an oe 17" wheel.

Hit the nail on the head there - Omegas are an old car now, running 16" or latterly 17" wheels - on the V6s same dia brake disk though pre, minif/l and f/l.  Most modern cars are generally runnng bigger wheels, allowing use of bigger discs, together with more modern style calipers, such as opposing pistons, twin and 4 pot.

Omega brakes suffering the limitations of age now.

Do agree though TC pads reasonably priced and adequate for normal road use.

[chrisgixer]

....there are bigger than oe options that will fit in a 17" wheel. There is plenty of room both in diameter and depth behind the spokes.

Her lexus is 04 but has bigger discs and calipers in a smaller offset wheel. It was an oversight on GM's behalf IMO.

[Kevin Wood]

....there are bigger than oe options that will fit in a 17" wheel. There is plenty of room both in diameter and depth behind the spokes.

Her lexus is 04 but has bigger discs and calipers in a smaller offset wheel. It was an oversight on GM's behalf IMO.

Agreed. The Omega brakes look lost inside a 17" wheel.

[chrisgixer]

Even the v8 only went to 334mm


Same 17" wheels btw