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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #15 on: 04 June 2014, 10:35:27 »

....obviously being careful of the wires, brake lines etc etc  :y
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #17 on: 04 June 2014, 10:48:32 »

Thats pretty pricey, most good motor factors stock steel sheet  :y
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #18 on: 04 June 2014, 10:49:26 »

And yes, just surface rust, clean it up with a cup brush in the grinder and paint well.
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #19 on: 04 June 2014, 11:07:05 »

sweet sweet sweet. chgeers mate  :) :) :) :)
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #20 on: 04 June 2014, 12:01:47 »

Wire brushed all the rust underneath the mv last weekend and covered it in grease  :)

Those steel sheets are expensive , you can get repair steel plates from egay in packs of 8 a lot cheaper than that  :)
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #21 on: 04 June 2014, 12:56:48 »

Looks like surface rust to me , wire brush it and seal it  :y
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #22 on: 04 June 2014, 13:32:59 »

grease best or engine oil? I have a pot of black lithium grease that I neveruse......
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #23 on: 04 June 2014, 13:39:28 »

grease best or engine oil? I have a pot of black lithium grease that I neveruse......

Peel off any loose underseal then slap some grease on it .. I use hammerite for larger areas , anything thats to hand as long as its covered  :)
Wheel arch areas and spray off areas would be better with hammerite . longer lasting  :)
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #24 on: 04 June 2014, 16:30:18 »

Thanks Mark, and all who have inputted :)

Just a quickie....

I signed up to the Mig welding forum (a link you provided I think mark, so thanks) and they reckoned the following pic is just surface rust on the chassis rail/leg and I should get a wire wheel to it, clean it up and treat it.

Do we agree on here that it looks like surface rust and I should give this a go? Would be quite handy to get one area done so I don't have as much to do overall









Yup  :y a wire brush and if you can get a small grinder or dremil like tool in to really clean  up then spray the area with a shutz let it dry then waxoyl it.  :y :y :y
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #25 on: 04 June 2014, 17:22:17 »

Thanks Kev  :y

Is there a decent substitute that I can use that wont rust? I presume not as people would be raving about it but worth asking.....
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #26 on: 05 June 2014, 00:22:30 »

If you go back to bare metal after derusting I'd suggest a couple of stages prior to applying stonechip or Schutz underseal. Get it as clean as possible and then apply two good coats Hydrate 80 rust inhibitor followed by two further coats of Zinc 182 primer.Seal any welds with good quality seam sealer , I apply a PU sealer initially and then a brush on top seal. Stock up with Aldi metal paint ( better than smoothrite )  next time it's on sale and apply a another two or three coats of the colour of your choice . Then two ( I prefer three ) coats of stonechip /underseal applied at circa 45 psi with a good Schutz gun allowing each coat to flash off before next. This will give you better rust protection than factory finish.

Re metal forming . If you are going to do it buy an inexpensive hammer and dolly set . Mine cost circa €30 and has done sterling service on my E24 restoration , well worth the small sum paid.
I use many different sections of scrap steel to form and shape steel but the most used is / are lengths of right angle . Used in conjunction with a stout vice you can create as many shapes as your imagination allows . Clamp them at different heights and you can create steps in the sheet , used with G clamps you can create flanged edges of whetever depth you require , space them apart using a suitable spacer you can create valleys or any shape of indentation you require . I also have a selection of steel rods of various diameters and shaped ground ends that are used to create more difficult or replicate original factory shapes . To create curves as said , using 20 swg sheet ( 0.9mm ) it is surprisingly easy to curve and bend . I have several pipes of diameters between 1 to 4 inch to create the shape required. To create the curve for the floor on the sketch I'd clamp the sheet between two right angle sections in a vice and then G clamp a pipe of suitable diameter onto one angle section and the gently pull the steel over the pipe to the required angle .  I invested in a low cost sheet steel bender from Poland / E bay . Cost about £110 but has paid for itself allowing me to make my own sills and numerous flanged repair sections . I came close to purchasing a shrinker / stretcher but have found that small curves can be stretched out using gentle hammering , tighter curves are either made from welding two sections together or simply cutting V's out of the flange prior to curving around a suitable pipe .
You'll be surprised how quickly you learn to curve and shape sections and will soon be trying to make better and more accurate sections .
Just remember that every car is made up of various multi shaped panels that are joined by attaching two flanges together , as long as you can eventually mate these two flanges and weld them together , job done .
I couldn't buy a sill section for my e24 so made this in 18swg , I had to make it in two sections .

And likewise with floor sections as they are unavailable .


You'll definatly enjoy the welding and fabrication course and it'll give you so much more confidence in repairing bodywork.
Good luck and enjoy it  :y
Edit , I should add that flap wheels on an angle grinder are far better suited at removing rust than wire brushing.
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #27 on: 05 June 2014, 07:47:26 »

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I should add that flap wheels on an angle grinder are far better suited at removing rust than wire brushing

Yes , forgot about the flap wheel . Very good for rust removal , but how would you remove surface rust in a tight spot  :-\
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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #28 on: 05 June 2014, 13:38:02 »

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I should add that flap wheels on an angle grinder are far better suited at removing rust than wire brushing

Yes , forgot about the flap wheel . Very good for rust removal , but how would you remove surface rust in a tight spot  :-\

If you work on car body work then you shouldn't be without one of these,

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Re: Welding.... how on Earth do you shape chassis metal?
« Reply #29 on: 05 June 2014, 13:40:20 »

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I should add that flap wheels on an angle grinder are far better suited at removing rust than wire brushing

Yes , forgot about the flap wheel . Very good for rust removal , but how would you remove surface rust in a tight spot  :-\

If you work on car body work then you shouldn't be without one of these,



Whats that bit of kit called ? Looks just the job  :y
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