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[Doctor Gollum]

That's up in Twiglets neck of the woods. Is it yours James?

Keith, ABS

Very much doubt it from the presentation 

[aaronjb]

Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.

That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work..

[Nick W]

Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.

That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work..

I don't know when I am going to have time to fit the springs and heater matrix to my current estate, let alone take on another that I don't need and can't really afford. It's the wrong sort of fixer-upper too, mechanically OK(probably) but scruffy. I had forgotten how much working full-time gets in the way of getting stuff done

[Tick Tock]

Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.

That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work..

I don't know when I am going to have time to fit the springs and heater matrix to my current estate, let alone take on another that I don't need and can't really afford. It's the wrong sort of fixer-upper too, mechanically OK(probably) but scruffy. I had forgotten how much working full-time gets in the way of getting stuff done

Sure sounds like it to me.... just looking at the small bits of grot, that's usually a sign that it's far worse around the bits you can't see. After spending well over a grand on mine in the last year, and finding out where the problems really are, it does give a good insight into what lurks below. Grotty wheelarches aren't much to worry about in the grand scheme of things, so I would expect this to end up being sold to someone who's just got off the Hollyhead ferry!

I think your heart would REALLY have to be in it to think it's a keeper for not much more than a couple of years unfortunately. 

[STEMO]

Yeah..but you're a 'fixer upper'. Most are not.

That's no way to talk about Nick, I'm sure he doesn't need that much work..

I don't know when I am going to have time to fit the springs and heater matrix to my current estate, let alone take on another that I don't need and can't really afford. It's the wrong sort of fixer-upper too, mechanically OK(probably) but scruffy. I had forgotten how much working full-time gets in the way of getting stuff done

Sure sounds like it to me.... just looking at the small bits of grot, that's usually a sign that it's far worse around the bits you can't see. After spending well over a grand on mine in the last year, and finding out where the problems really are, it does give a good insight into what lurks below. Grotty wheelarches aren't much to worry about in the grand scheme of things, so I would expect this to end up being sold to someone who's just got off the Hollyhead ferry!

I think your heart would REALLY have to be in it to think it's a keeper for not much more than a couple of years unfortunately. 

It depends what kind of buyer you are for this one and, of course, the final price.  Let's say it goes for £5-600, that's really nothing to pay if you get two years of use out of it as a load lugger. But the lack of an MOT will put most off, esp. as the seller either can't be arsed getting it done, or knows it's going to be an expensive fail.

[zirk]

. But the lack of an MOT will put most off, esp. as the seller either can't be arsed getting it done, or knows it's going to be an expensive fail.

Exactly , something doesn't ring true with this one, why would someone claim to spend over 2k in 2016 in particular maintenance on the car but cant be arsed to get a 35 quid MOT on it, weve all heard the "it will probably sail through the MOT", if thats the case why hasn't it got one.

Same goes for the LPG, again throw money at the car, all the best parts money can buy apparently, but neglect the LPG when there's an issue, which in my mind is an important running factor of the vehicle.

The same car with a brand new 12 months ticket and fully working LPG system would make it very desirable, doesn't make sense.

[2boxerdogs]

I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.

[Doctor Gollum]

I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.

Some people are just plain tight...

[zirk]

I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.

Thats the point though, surely, if your planning on keeping your car for a few years why not LPG it against a small run around, example, my 3.2 Manual Omega thats LPG'd, equivalent to 45 Mpg in Town to 60+ Mpg on a good run, in a large 5 seater comfy V6, where am I going to get that in a small run around.

You could say the same the other way around, I know a few people who have giving their perfectly good Omega's that they enjoy to drive, and gone out and paid 5 to 10K on a cheaper newer run around solely because its more economical, wheres the logic in that.

[Kevin Wood]

I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.

Some people are just plain tight...

.. and others still like to drive a 200+BHP saloon for the cost of running a shitbox that runs on lorry fuel.

[tunnie]

Running both, my observations are:

Newer diesel FWD saloon actually feels like it corners better, less body roll and is very well insulated against sound. I jumped in the 3.2 and I thought a door was not shut, the traffic passing made that much more noise. That said however, I do observe the change in road surface more in my VW compared to the Omega. Perhaps fact of 18" low profile tyres compared to fairly fat 17's on the 3.2.

Effortless pull of the 3.2 is great in traffic and when 'stretching' the legs joining motorway, but the diesel has more instant pull, no need to rev hard, just drop a gear and it really flys but does run require more changes. (obviously)

80mph on right tarmac it is damn near silent in the VW, more wind noise in the 3.2. Perhaps just age of rubber seals is a factor. Done run to Wales in both, so M4 blast a good compare.

I like both.... Range is great in the VW, 300 miles and not even used half a tank 

Situation has changed now, I've now found a car share buddy, so fuel use is not so critical.

[Doctor Gollum]

I cannot understand why people LPG their cars if you can't afford the petrol get a smaller vehicle, that said if they can't afford the fuel they probably skimp on maintenance as well.

Some people are just plain tight...

.. and others still like to drive a 200+BHP saloon for the cost of running a shitbox that runs on lorry fuel.

It wasn't a pop, and your certainly not alone with your sentiments...

The man maths runs a pretty good argument for driving a larger, older, faster car on petrol and having to constantly fettle it to keep it sweet/roadworthy/Motd every year against the costs of buying said shit box...

Add lpg into the mix, assuming you can fit it yourself, and it becomes a no brainer

[Marks DTM Calib]

The only reason I moved onto the mum bus is due to a change in requirements where I needed:

Extra seats occasionally (and they do get used)
Good economy
Van like interior for moving all my crap about

The old bus has now clocked 180k miles with 170k being in my ownership and so far, so good, it owes me nothing.

That said, I do hanker after a good old petrol V6 still!

[tunnie]

The only reason I moved onto the mum bus is due to a change in requirements where I needed:

Extra seats occasionally (and they do get used)
Good economy
Van like interior for moving all my crap about

The old bus has now clocked 180k miles with 170k being in my ownership and so far, so good, it owes me nothing.

That said, I do hanker after a good old petrol V6 still!

How do you rate the Autoboxes in your shape Zafira? (and also the larger Tourer) One option is i chop the 3.2 in for Zafira B for MrsT, as 3.2 saloon is not ideal for running to nursery nearby. (which every one we plan to use)

Of course I could also swap the VW for the newer Zafira Tourer, when our needs change.

[Marks DTM Calib]

They appear to be ok and certainly better than the tat fitted in the likes of the frog stuff although clearly, I have the driver involvement pack fitted.