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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #15 on: 29 March 2017, 18:24:17 »

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They can be mapped, in theory, but there's not much call for it, so nobody offers the service. Your options are probably either putting up with it or going manual.

There was a Vauxall software update for the gearbox. ....... I had it applied to my car by Dr Omega many many moons ago .... no idea now what version it was
Yours was a MFL 3.0l IIRC, so had a GS820 TCM, which can take the v9 firmware via Tech2, that's actually pretty good :y
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #16 on: 29 March 2017, 19:17:39 »


Yours was a MFL 3.0l IIRC, so had a GS820 TCM, which can take the v9 firmware via Tech2, that's actually pretty good :y

That sounds about right  :y
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #17 on: 29 March 2017, 20:23:12 »

My Desmond sometimes does the same thing, even when warmed up. Go gently on the pedal but still wants to rev hard. All other changes are smooth and normal. Fluid level and condition all good. ???
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #18 on: 30 March 2017, 10:27:21 »

For 2.6 owners, I know our resident pikey pensioner, Mr Auto Addict, had a problem with his hanging on to gears in a specific circumstance that I can no longer remember.

After weeks of tell him it wasn't an ECU fault, I gave him another TCM ECU, and that cured it.


Perhaps AA can elaborate if he reads this?
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #19 on: 30 March 2017, 10:36:01 »

on the gm 3 speed the change points are advanced or retarded depending on engine load measured by a vacuum modulator can on the rear of the box as well as engine speed vs road speed.am i correct in thinking the omega is purely electronic working on these factors.engine speed,throttle position,road speed ,does the box also have a tilt sensor ?.
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #20 on: 30 March 2017, 10:41:03 »

on the gm 3 speed the change points are advanced or retarded depending on engine load measured by a vacuum modulator can on the rear of the box as well as engine speed vs road speed.am i correct in thinking the omega is purely electronic working on these factors.engine speed,throttle position,road speed ,does the box also have a tilt sensor ?.
Yes, all electronically controlled by the TCM, giving it far more intelligence and control that the mechanical ones.
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #21 on: 30 March 2017, 10:46:43 »

does it have a tilt sensor so it knows the car is going uphill or down or purely electrical? .sorry if your last post actually answered that !
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #22 on: 30 March 2017, 13:21:15 »

For 2.6 owners, I know our resident pikey pensioner, Mr Auto Addict, had a problem with his hanging on to gears in a specific circumstance that I can no longer remember.

After weeks of tell him it wasn't an ECU fault, I gave him another TCM ECU, and that cured it.


Perhaps AA can elaborate if he reads this?
There is one set of lights, that I get held at every day on the way home from work, where the road is slightly uphill afterwards. If I am stuck behind a dawdler that insists on drifting along at 20-25 mph over the next 200 yds my 2.6 will hang on to a gear and keep revving. (I think it will hit 4000 rpm at just under 30 without much throttle but I may be wrong about that) Give it a bit more throttle and it revs harder, give it a lot more throttle and it changes up and peace is restored.

The other change point that annoys me is slightly below 50mph. The engine is just getting 'on cam' when it is dumped into a higher gear and I have to press harder to maintain the same forward progress (at which point it changes down again and the cycle repeats.........)
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #23 on: 30 March 2017, 14:08:39 »

Yep, even the 3.2 bogs down horribly in the 45-50 MPH region. I think it's the torque converter lockup.
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #24 on: 30 March 2017, 15:09:32 »

when i got mine it held up to 4k before changing replacement ecu gives 3k so one is definately different programm wise.i guess its a trait of the car that we have to live with .i was thinking if you could alter tilt sensor if there is one but maybee not. it is frustrating thou isnt it.
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #25 on: 30 March 2017, 17:05:36 »

2.6 Auto's do seem to hang onto the low gears I've found.

3.2 exactly as Kevin says has a horrid 45 - 50 dead zone not helped by indecision of the ECU to drop a gear when you try and gently accelerate out of the speed range, find this typically through motorway roadworks on a slight incline. Seems to be worse on one of my 3.2's for some strange reason (all running latest version of software) so maybe more down to gearbox.
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #26 on: 30 March 2017, 17:16:55 »

2.6 Auto's do seem to hang onto the low gears I've found.

3.2 exactly as Kevin says has a horrid 45 - 50 dead zone not helped by indecision of the ECU to drop a gear when you try and gently accelerate out of the speed range, find this typically through motorway roadworks on a slight incline. Seems to be worse on one of my 3.2's for some strange reason (all running latest version of software) so maybe more down to gearbox.

Easy with the 3.2... if doing 45 and you wish to avoid the "dead zone" simply press the sports button, then when you get to 55 press it again ... :)
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #27 on: 30 March 2017, 19:44:53 »

2.6 Auto's do seem to hang onto the low gears I've found.

3.2 exactly as Kevin says has a horrid 45 - 50 dead zone not helped by indecision of the ECU to drop a gear when you try and gently accelerate out of the speed range, find this typically through motorway roadworks on a slight incline. Seems to be worse on one of my 3.2's for some strange reason (all running latest version of software) so maybe more down to gearbox.

Easy with the 3.2... if doing 45 and you wish to avoid the "dead zone" simply press the sports button, then when you get to 55 press it again ... :)


Not really, I don't want to drive the 20 miles through the road works down the M5 (when I have to actually go in the office!) in sports mode stuck in third gear and 55 is definitely in the points zone through the cameras!  ;)

As I say, it does seem to differ across different 3.2's all have regular ATF changes and all run the last software release.
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #28 on: 30 March 2017, 19:59:10 »

2.6 Auto's do seem to hang onto the low gears I've found.

3.2 exactly as Kevin says has a horrid 45 - 50 dead zone not helped by indecision of the ECU to drop a gear when you try and gently accelerate out of the speed range, find this typically through motorway roadworks on a slight incline. Seems to be worse on one of my 3.2's for some strange reason (all running latest version of software) so maybe more down to gearbox.

I have a 3.2 and in this zone I have learnt to only change speed by using the cruise one click at a time, if I don't want kick down, but even in cruise at 50 if you encounter a slight incline, it looses a couple or 3 MPH. realises, then gives acceleration, which causes it to kick down and accelerate past 50 mph, then it slows back down to 50 mph

Every Monday morning on the A50 east bound on the approach to the Meir Tunnel.  :-[
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Re: Auto gearchange
« Reply #29 on: 31 March 2017, 00:03:47 »

I have two 2.6's, and 2 3.2's. Whether it's just coincidence, but both the 2.6 's seem to hang onto the lower gears a lot more than both 3.2's, particularly first / second.
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