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[Lizzie Zoom]

I think you'll find that TB has worked for the GPO/BT/Openreach either directly or indirectly since leaving school, so near enough 35 years...

A youngster then!

He cannot possibly remember the 1950's and early 1960's, can he?

No, Lizzie, they belong to you.

Yeah, bloody great!!

[TheBoy]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

[Doctor Gollum]

I think you'll find that Virgin media grew from the likes of Telewest and the like who operated local cable TV networks and expanded into telephone services when BT got 'privatised' 

Exactly right, and as we lived in Bristol at the time we suffered from pavements being dug up everywhere by Telewest.  BT nor Open Reach were not the contractors who did that work

If you 'knew' that why the question about Virgin vans?

If I laid a media cable down your street, who do you think would be responsible for maintaining it? Openreach or me?

I'll give you a clue. It won't be Openreach. 

[Doctor Gollum]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

[STEMO]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

Here we go again. Kingston upon Hull is a fine city, UK capital of culture don't you know? 

[TheBoy]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

I'm sure Tiger Gonads likes it. Thats his neck of the woods?

[Doctor Gollum]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

Here we go again. Kingston upon Hull is a fine city, UK capital of culture don't you know? 

So was Liverpool 

[Lizzie Zoom]

I think you'll find that Virgin media grew from the likes of Telewest and the like who operated local cable TV networks and expanded into telephone services when BT got 'privatised' 

Exactly right, and as we lived in Bristol at the time we suffered from pavements being dug up everywhere by Telewest.  BT nor Open Reach were not the contractors who did that work

If you 'knew' that why the question about Virgin vans?

If I laid a media cable down your street, who do you think would be responsible for maintaining it? Openreach or me?

I'll give you a clue. It won't be Openreach. 

Because it is those vans we see, today, in 2019.

As for the cable in the street, I would not have a clue, as now contractors of all colours are digging up the roads for all the utility companies   That is why I questioned TB, who knows these things, the question to understand who actually has the contract to maintain telephone lines as he suggested most lines are maintained by Open Reach / BT.

[Doctor Gollum]

I think you'll find that Virgin media grew from the likes of Telewest and the like who operated local cable TV networks and expanded into telephone services when BT got 'privatised' 

Exactly right, and as we lived in Bristol at the time we suffered from pavements being dug up everywhere by Telewest.  BT nor Open Reach were not the contractors who did that work

If you 'knew' that why the question about Virgin vans?

If I laid a media cable down your street, who do you think would be responsible for maintaining it? Openreach or me?

I'll give you a clue. It won't be Openreach. 

Because it is those vans we see, today, in 2019.

As for the cable in the street, I would not have a clue, as now contractors of all colours are digging up the roads for all the utility companies

Pop your brain in gear and think it through

[Lizzie Zoom]

I think you'll find that Virgin media grew from the likes of Telewest and the like who operated local cable TV networks and expanded into telephone services when BT got 'privatised' 

Exactly right, and as we lived in Bristol at the time we suffered from pavements being dug up everywhere by Telewest.  BT nor Open Reach were not the contractors who did that work

If you 'knew' that why the question about Virgin vans?

If I laid a media cable down your street, who do you think would be responsible for maintaining it? Openreach or me?

I'll give you a clue. It won't be Openreach. 

Because it is those vans we see, today, in 2019.

As for the cable in the street, I would not have a clue, as now contractors of all colours are digging up the roads for all the utility companies

Pop your brain in gear and think it through

My brain in very much in gear thanks. To think through anything you still need the ACTUAL facts that somebody like TB knows about his industry.  I am not going to assume anything, as I think you do so often!

[jonathanh]

well to add to the openreach thread here's yesterdays conversation with the engineer

engineer " hi i'll be there is 20 minutes to pull the cable through the duct"

me " great, we've got the duct here but only one problem"

engineer " what's that?"

me " its in a pile by my gate and not dug in"

engineer " what? thanks for telling me, i'll make some calls"


and guess what, SFA from openreach or BT again.  this is three months of a total farce of trying to get FTTP...  I am absolutely sure they are trying to get me to dig the duct in myself...

[STEMO]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

Here we go again. Kingston upon Hull is a fine city, UK capital of culture don't you know? 

So was Liverpool 

No. Liverpool was European capital of culture. 

[Doctor Gollum]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

Here we go again. Kingston upon Hull is a fine city, UK capital of culture don't you know? 

So was Liverpool 

No. Liverpool was European capital of culture. 

Even worse

[Lizzie Zoom]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

Here we go again. Kingston upon Hull is a fine city, UK capital of culture don't you know? 

So was Liverpool 

No. Liverpool was European capital of culture. 

It is a great all round City!

[STEMO]

When I started, we were still fixing Candlesticks (early phones)

Virgin grew out of the smaller cable companies like NTL and Telewest.  But their coverage is minimal.  So for the vast, vast, vast majority of us, if we want a phone line, the "GPO" have to come and fit it. Unless you live in Hull.

Why would you want to do that?

Here we go again. Kingston upon Hull is a fine city, UK capital of culture don't you know? 

So was Liverpool 

No. Liverpool was European capital of culture. 

It is a great all round City!

European capital of culture, European football champions......say no more