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Author Topic: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!  (Read 5250 times)

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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #15 on: 12 August 2008, 15:33:58 »

I have changed the turbo and rebuilt the carb of a Maestro Turbo outside my house on a busy road (High Street), police couldn't have cared less but I did get a parking ticket when I came inside for a glass of water and to repair the bleeding hands!

I did get some grief from the old bill whilst replacing a broken throttle cable on the side of the M4 (MILES off even the hard shoulder) seriously, I was about 40 ft away from the white line. He made me re-join the M4 on an uphill section with only about 20% throttle available to me. Like I chose to repair it there, I conked out on the hill and thought "this is ridiculous, I have a spare in the boot".

Your neighbour sounds like a right twitcher, I cant imagine mine "dobbing me in" and they are 100% snobs! They wouldn't go out of their way to cause trouble for someone else, I think they realise that if I am sweating over an engine out on the street, that I am doing so by necessity and not by choice :)
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #16 on: 12 August 2008, 17:48:37 »

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 I am surprised you even attempted any work on the road - even servicing would be out.


My common sense told me that I was unlikely to be taken away in cuffs for changing a plug - which is where I started ;D

Trouble is, in your current situation, I guess you can't even have a complaint against you without consequences....
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« Reply #17 on: 12 August 2008, 17:57:33 »

This is an emergency repair now, and I am sure that a law enacted in 1847, before the advent of the combustion engine, could not be "reasonable" as classed by the lawyers and therefore cannot be enforced in 2008. :o :o :o  

I am sure common sense must prevail, and what makes Maria's neighboughs house sepecial?  This act must still cover all / most of GB if it really hasn't been superceeded by later Acts regarding Motor propelled vehicles, and would result in no motorist being able to maintain their motor vehicle outside their own house.  That is frankly abursed and totally unreasonable so surely cannot be enforced. :-/ :-/

In addition James are you sure this would still fall within Criminal Law and not Civil Law in 2008? :-/ :-/
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #18 on: 12 August 2008, 18:25:18 »

Since when have laws and commen sense ever ran hand in hand, like most have comented carry on regardless,till some busybody who think they are doing their civic duty pokes there nose in ,id diplomaticly tell them "go forth and multiply" and mind their own business :)then diplomacy was never my strong suit. heres a law which has never been repeeled " hanson cab drivers have to carry a bale of straw in their boot "
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #19 on: 12 August 2008, 18:36:26 »

If your not causing an obstruction and pouring gallons of oil down pubic drains etc ect i doubt if the police or council would bat an eye lid regardless of future plans.

There's a place that could give you a definitive answer as its run by serving police officers and Jp"s...i"ll see if i can find the site (not used it for a while).

Im sure they would also be able to advise if it could possibly have any impact on something you decided to pursue at a later date.
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« Reply #20 on: 12 August 2008, 19:16:42 »

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This is an emergency repair now, and I am sure that a law enacted in 1847, before the advent of the combustion engine, could not be "reasonable" as classed by the lawyers and therefore cannot be enforced in 2008. :o :o :o  

I am sure common sense must prevail, and what makes Maria's neighboughs house sepecial?  This act must still cover all / most of GB if it really hasn't been superceeded by later Acts regarding Motor propelled vehicles, and would result in no motorist being able to maintain their motor vehicle outside their own house.  That is frankly abursed and totally unreasonable so surely cannot be enforced. :-/ :-/

In addition James are you sure this would still fall within Criminal Law and not Civil Law in 2008? :-/ :-/
Sorry Lizzie, but if there is an Act of Parliament that makes it a crime then it is dealt with by the criminal system. Even a stupid 1847 law like this. The police will only respond to contravention of criminal law.

If your deeds say you can't repair cars on your property (many do) then that would be dealt with by civil law. Police can be involved in civil action, but they usually only go along to keep the peace.

Common law allows people to get redress for actions that aren't covered by the above. People who claim damages for an accident negligently caused do so under common law.

Tort law is the law that would allow James to sue for damage of reputation if his neighbour said something out of order in front of a witness (slander) or wrote and published the same (libel).

Tort law is the one that our admins/mods have to be very careful with, because they can be held responsible for libel posted by any member.

Unfortunately, virtually none of it is based on common sense.  

Sorry if this is patronising, but I thought an explanation would help.  :y


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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #21 on: 12 August 2008, 19:23:07 »

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 I am surprised you even attempted any work on the road - even servicing would be out.


My common sense told me that I was unlikely to be taken away in cuffs for changing a plug - which is where I started ;D

Trouble is, in your current situation, I guess you can't even have a complaint against you without consequences....

Having now been awarded my Security Clearance, I would have to be convicted of an offence for it to have any direct bearing on what I'm doing, but - obviously it would be preferable to avoid it in the first place :y

I think I'll just quickly pop the cambelt kit on, take a chance on that bit of rubber, and get it mobile... and do any other bits at home.
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #22 on: 12 August 2008, 19:26:18 »

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I think I'll just quickly pop the cambelt kit on, take a chance on that bit of rubber, and get it mobile... and do any other bits at home.

Turn it over - or even start it - with that  plug out first (ground the spare ignition lead) as I suspect it'll come out of the plug hole in fairly short order if you do.

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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #23 on: 12 August 2008, 19:27:10 »

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I think I'll just quickly pop the cambelt kit on, take a chance on that bit of rubber, and get it mobile... and do any other bits at home.

Turn it over - or even start it - with that  plug out first (ground the spare ignition lead) as I suspect it'll come out of the plug hole in fairly short order if you do.

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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #24 on: 12 August 2008, 19:33:15 »

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 I am surprised you even attempted any work on the road - even servicing would be out.


My common sense told me that I was unlikely to be taken away in cuffs for changing a plug - which is where I started ;D

Trouble is, in your current situation, I guess you can't even have a complaint against you without consequences....

Having now been awarded my Security Clearance, I would have to be convicted of an offence for it to have any direct bearing on what I'm doing, but - obviously it would be preferable to avoid it in the first place :y

I think I'll just quickly pop the cambelt kit on, take a chance on that bit of rubber, and get it mobile... and do any other bits at home.
Which SC did you have to do - the mickey mouse 4 page form, the medium several page form and a few (2?) refs, or the biggie where they interview your family?
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #25 on: 12 August 2008, 19:38:19 »

I try to do most my repairs on the drive, comfier for starters, trouble is the slope on the drive, so ATF top up for example I do on the flat road.

Am aware it's an offence though, just don't expect any of my neighbours to have an issue.

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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #26 on: 12 August 2008, 19:40:02 »

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I try to do most my repairs on the drive, comfier for starters, trouble is the slope on the drive, so ATF top up for example I do on the flat road.

Am aware it's an offence though, just don't expect any of my neighbours to have an issue.

opps em i have changed wishbomes on side of road even talking to police while i work !!  :D
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #27 on: 12 August 2008, 19:44:19 »

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I try to do most my repairs on the drive, comfier for starters, trouble is the slope on the drive, so ATF top up for example I do on the flat road.

Am aware it's an offence though, just don't expect any of my neighbours to have an issue.

opps em i have changed wishbomes on side of road even talking to police while i work !!  :D

MOST coppers will use common sense ( especially if they like messing about with cars!). But if a member of the public requests that they uphold a law, they are duty bound to deal --- even if it's only a stern word to the offender (at least while the old git is in earshot) .
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #28 on: 12 August 2008, 19:46:21 »

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 I am surprised you even attempted any work on the road - even servicing would be out.


My common sense told me that I was unlikely to be taken away in cuffs for changing a plug - which is where I started ;D

Trouble is, in your current situation, I guess you can't even have a complaint against you without consequences....

Having now been awarded my Security Clearance, I would have to be convicted of an offence for it to have any direct bearing on what I'm doing, but - obviously it would be preferable to avoid it in the first place :y

I think I'll just quickly pop the cambelt kit on, take a chance on that bit of rubber, and get it mobile... and do any other bits at home.
Which SC did you have to do - the mickey mouse 4 page form, the medium several page form and a few (2?) refs, or the biggie where they interview your family?

I had to have Home Office Security Clearance, and Counter Terrorist Clearance. I had to be interviewed myself, but not family. That happens in Developed Vetting, which I suspect is what I will go for next - but I have what I need now to fulfull the role...
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Re: The silly old git was right.I AM breaking the law!
« Reply #29 on: 12 August 2008, 19:50:53 »

Your clearence level is, of course, Confidential...  ;D ;D ;D
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