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[Lizzie Zoom]

Once again .. the truth doesn't matter as long as your pre-conceived agenda is followedand you can make a point to the "social media" followers

I would expect nothing more from Commie Network News...

One good thing that Trump has achieved in the US is to ban the odious cullt of critical race theory. It is gaining traction here and many university snowflakes are fully indoctrinated by the time they leave 'uni'

You continue to devalue the young who go to uni Opti with an assumption that they will accept anything they are told. This is not true.

In real life the young of today, who especially manage to get to uni, are like those of yesterday, they question everything and as a very mixed 'culture' they have many, many political viewpoints about the past, the present and the future.  They generally are no fools, as I had the pleasure of finding out when I attended uni late in life. In any one lecture a very healthy mix of political and cultural expressions were voiced from students who came from a very broad range of national cultures.

I remember my parents, teachers, and all around me having very different views on political philosophy and the events that shaped those theories. Views then and as now could be far right wing, centre, or far left wing. Some of the elders even tried to brainwash us with their ideals, but our own ideals rose above all that with me and my peers forming our own conclusions of what we believed was right or wrong, which generally I took into life as all others have before and since.

Yes there will always be a minority, even whole nations after the minority have got to them, who can be persuaded by extreme views and enact them.  But no matter how far the pendulum swings one way, the educated majority make it swing the other way.  Back in the sixties it was all about socialism against capitalism, and such things as "banning the bomb".  Even my military father who grew up in the 1930's was a communist when the ideals of that took his fancy, but then reality struck home with the majority and our World going on to see the collapse of the Soviet Union and the easing of military tension.

I have gone deep there Opti, but what I am saying is that throughout history certain opinions have come and gone as political fashions change due to the realities of the time. The youth of today will grow up and become old as we have grown up and old, with them seeing what is the real political common sense to keep the World turning and free from, God willing, WW3, let alone an environment that humans / nature can thrive in.  The young are fundamentally not stupid, although as naive as we were at their age, and will come up with collective answers.

One very real promise is they will not be as racist and ignorant as my parents generation was, and indeed as mine was, but will help the human race go forward together.

[Doctor Gollum]

Ok, LZ, how many BLM protesters fall with the 'white middle class of university age' demographic?

No, it's not a coincidence...

[Lizzie Zoom]

Ok, LZ, how many BLM protesters fall with the 'white middle class of university age' demographic?

No, it's not a coincidence...

As I touched on DG there has always been political “fashions” / ideology that has appealed to the young at the time. BLM is the current trend, the thing to follow, as was Ban the Bomb, Being a Hippy, and joining Mosley’ Black Shirt fascists back in the day.

All crazes that will tapper off as everyday life and maturity has its effect on the majority. 

Read British history and you will see the rebellious (young) people of any period take on authority, the government, and the establishment generally to achieve their perceived perfection in life, that usually they never got until much later!  The luddites, The Chartists, the Suffragettes, were all movements that were a mass threat on what was considered the established society, but tapered out as people and time moved on with slow change, but without fast radical revolution. Unlike of course in France in 1789, but a) we are talking about the hot headed French and b) they had a very real and reasonable gripe with the establishment that had to lead to the Revolution to change!

The young will always challenge, but all things will pass and move on with natural evolution.

[Doctor Gollum]

Universities and latterly schools and colleges are instilling leftist ideals in the hope that at some point they will out umber the centre right older generations.

My question was a bit of a snare that you fell straight into. It's not a question of BLM being a fad, but rather the white upper middle class being the chosen mechanism for leftism.

For 'educated' kids, they are really stupid allowing themselves to effectively become weaponised drones.

Free speech, in its truest sense, is defined by freedom of thought. These hysterical unpeaceful protesters are so brainwashed that they don't even realise that what they are doing wasn't even their idea. Grotty Tongueberg being a case in point...

Their only saving grace is that they have short attention spans, so most get distracted by partners/careers/kids. The ones that don't recover/grow out of their hivemind dystopia will die in their fifties in a tree near a dual carriageway. Probably from a cannabis overdose.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Universities and latterly schools and colleges are instilling leftist ideals in the hope that at some point they will out umber the centre right older generations.

My question was a bit of a snare that you fell straight into. It's not a question of BLM being a fad, but rather the white upper middle class being the chosen mechanism for leftism.

For 'educated' kids, they are really stupid allowing themselves to effectively become weaponised drones.

Free speech, in its truest sense, is defined by freedom of thought. These hysterical unpeaceful protesters are so brainwashed that they don't even realise that what they are doing wasn't even their idea. Grotty Tongueberg being a case in point...

Their only saving grace is that they have short attention spans, so most get distracted by partners/careers/kids. The ones that don't recover/grow out of their hivemind dystopia will die in their fifties in a tree near a dual carriageway. Probably from a cannabis overdose.

As I have stated leftism / socialism movements are not new and can certainly be traced back to the 1920’s, 1930’s, and 1945 onwards after WW2. 

As for your “snare”, you are not as clever as you think, as universities have always been breeding grounds for white upper middle class leftism, let alone communism, and has been a conduit for spreading such ideology.  Have you not heard of the Cambridge Spy Ring when the likes of Blunt aided and abetted Soviet communism?  That goes back into the 1930’s through to at least the early 1950’s. The Labour Party had hard left / communists throughout their ranks and on to the rest of our society.

Even all that weighty challenge to the British political system and British way of life as we know it had no immediate dramatic impression on it. Yes the age of aristocratic dictation and worker suppression gently faded with gradual change, much brought on by two World wars, only accelerated by the landslide Labour victory in 1945.

So yes, there is nothing to fear from movements that want change as they gave us the freedoms we enjoy today and will give us a better future. “Student” political activity is just part of the process and after maybe an ‘earthquake’ of action short term will petter out longer term with the underlying aims of the movements just becoming part of future everyday life.

[Nick W]

These posts which pretend to use reason to explain their dogma, as religion preaches faith, are why I'm the first in four generations of Wheelers that isn't active in politics. It's also why I'm an atheist.


You're all using the same 'facts' mixed with meaningless wank-words to argue black is white/up is down/cats=dogs. And it is truly, tediously, desperately, oppsing sad.

[Doctor Gollum]

Probably the most reasonable statement in Gen Dis...

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

While I agree with Lizzie up to a point - middle age is where the narrow waistline and broad mind tend to swap places - Im concerned by the movements in Uni,s and colleges recently to abolish and get rid of anything that doesnt fit the leftist worldview.
Even relatively moderate left wingers like Germaine Greer, being denied the right to speak their views in Uni,s because they dont exactly agree with the current fashionable thinking is scary.
If there is one place where every point of view should be rationally discussed its in Universities. If it cant happen there what hope is there for it happening in the wider world ?

[Doctor Gollum]

A better question might be why is it happening there of all places...

[Raeturbo]

A better question might be why is it happening there of all places...

               What better place for an alien invasion?👀

[Doctor Gollum]

A better question might be why is it happening there of all places...

               What better place for an alien invasion?👀

The Block? 

[Lizzie Zoom]

While I agree with Lizzie up to a point - middle age is where the narrow waistline and broad mind tend to swap places - Im concerned by the movements in Uni,s and colleges recently to abolish and get rid of anything that doesnt fit the leftist worldview.
Even relatively moderate left wingers like Germaine Greer, being denied the right to speak their views in Uni,s because they dont exactly agree with the current fashionable thinking is scary.
If there is one place where every point of view should be rationally discussed its in Universities. If it cant happen there what hope is there for it happening in the wider world ?

And in uni's it DOES happen, believe me as a mature  former politics student.  Everything is fully discussed and analysed with students needing to read many books and papers before compiling an essay that reflects their findings and conclusion(s) for assessment by their tutor.  It is a very healthy process that balances ones mind and opens it up to more than preconceived ideas!  I witnessed many young students "mature" their political outlook and take wonderful strides in their following contributions in discussions

[Lizzie Zoom]

.................anyway, why all this fear of what the youngsters are thinking or not?

I worry far more about the apparently "mature" politicians and peoples of this World and the crap being spouted.  Just look at what is happening in the US to see where we are going due to (very) "mature" men and their followers.  That fiasco is going to affect all of us more than any little student or group of them. 

In fact out of the mess the young will learn the mistakes made and work to correct what is wrong with our societies, just as they have for generations before.

[STEMO]

My lad's at uni. He does his maths work, shags his girlfriend and eats shite. Normal behaviour with no mention of politics.

[Lizzie Zoom]

My lad's at uni. He does his maths work, shags his girlfriend and eats shite. Normal behaviour with no mention of politics.

Exactly Steve

Unless you are studying politics, the girls and guys in uni will keep working on what they are aiming for in other disciplines.................and enjoy themselves (COVID allowing) as much as they can as the young in those age groups always have!