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[Varche]

Wait till you see Sky News reporting on 7000 Afghans to be relocated to Uk due to a MOD data breach . It is going to cost an eye watering amount. Could be 7 bn ( million pounds each?)

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

To purport that migrants are all grafters who keep the country afloat while its just the brits who have been born and grown up with Gordon Browns client state would be a mistake.
Latest figures show that 1.26 million migrants are claiming Universal credit !

https://order-order.com/2025/07/15/more-than-one-million-migrants-claiming-benefits/

[Raeturbo]

Lizzie has a good kind heart but I think her sympathies are misplaced on this occasion. (No offence meant).

[Doctor Gollum]

To purport that migrants are all grafters who keep the country afloat while its just the brits who have been born and grown up with Gordon Browns client state would be a mistake.
Latest figures show that 1.26 million migrants are claiming Universal credit !

https://order-order.com/2025/07/15/more-than-one-million-migrants-claiming-benefits/

You may have misread grifters...

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The Govt has just released crime figures according to nationality, for the first time I believe.
An Afghan migrant is 22 times more likely to commit sexual offences than a UK born person.
If you add up the stats for those from various African countries, the figures are far worse than the Afghans.

Meanwhile they have just announced that 16 and 17 year olds will be allowed to vote in the next general election.
Cynical beyond belief. Brainwash them into left wing nonsense at school, promise them the moon on a stick if they vote Labour, and you have their votes until the reality of life in the adult world kicks in.
They know they cant con enough adults to vote for them next time, so they will con the kids and hope it will get them over the line.
The yanks have a saying "no taxation without representation. I think that should also work the other way around too.
If you havent paid income tax in the three years preceding the election, you shouldnt have the right to vote.

[Sir Tigger KC]

If 16 year olds are considered old enough to vote, then they should just lower the age of majority to 16 and let them enjoy the full rights and responsibilities of adulthood as well. 

[Terbs]

Totally agree, Sir Tigger
Lets be honest 16 years olds nowadays aren't capable of thinking for themselves. Nowhere near maturity

[Doctor Gollum]

Totally agree, Sir Tigger
Lets be honest 21 years olds nowadays aren't capable of thinking for themselves. Nowhere near maturity

Fixed.

There are obviously exceptions, but they're few and far between.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Imo, people should only be allowed to vote if they have paid tax and or N.I. for (at least) three years running up to an election.
The exception would be pensioners who have paid their way re tax & N.I during their working lives.

[LC0112G]

Imo, people should only be allowed to vote if they have paid tax and or N.I. for (at least) three years running up to an election.
The exception would be pensioners who have paid their way re tax & N.I during their working lives.

Except most pensioners haven't - not even close to paying their way. Sure they've paid what they were asked to pay, but no way did it come close to what they are now costing.

Given the mess that 18+ voters have got the country into since the war, I've no problem with allowing toddlers to vote - at least they've got an equal chance of ticking a sensible box.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Ok, if you want to be uber pedantic - paid what they were required to from their wages during their long working lives.
Imo, voters havent really had a mainstream party worth voting for for well over thirty years.
Its been a matter of holding your nose and voting for what you hope will be the least worst option.
Not really the fault of voters, but the fault of the bunch of liars who stand for and get elected to Parliament.

[LC0112G]

It's not "uber pedantic" to point out that a certain generation believed the promises of various govt's/parties that by paying thruppence ha'penny per week into a govt run fund it would somehow pay for a comfortable retirement pension, plus all their medical needs as they age.

And now those generations take up close to 30% of all current govt spending (Pensions 11.3%, NHS 18%) and that's not including "healthcare" which is 43% of govt spending, yet they now pay virtually nothing 'into' the system - not that they ever paid anything meaningful into the system anyway.

It's Ok though, because the young'uns will pay, even if they can't vote.

[Varche]

Maybe it all went wrong about the 70/80’s.

The idea of pensions and nhs post war was fairly sound particularly socially. North Sea oil/gas surely belonged to the country and should have been used for pensions and health.  Sadly it wasn’t. National debt is at ludicrous levels.

My guess on past form , is the new generation of voters will vote for bigger pensions for themselves. There will be a forum somewhere in 50 years time saying “ where did it all go wrong” unless by then Europe is just part of a giant gulag.

[Rangie]

It's not "uber pedantic" to point out that a certain generation believed the promises of various govt's/parties that by paying thruppence ha'penny per week into a govt run fund it would somehow pay for a comfortable retirement pension, plus all their medical needs as they age.

And now those generations take up close to 30% of all current govt spending (Pensions 11.3%, NHS 18%) and that's not including "healthcare" which is 43% of govt spending, yet they now pay virtually nothing 'into' the system - not that they ever paid anything meaningful into the system anyway.

It's Ok though, because the young'uns will pay, even if they can't vote.

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I put my life on the line for this country & my pensions don't make up for what I sacrificed over the years, most " young uns" as you put it are barely capable of wiping their arses let alone doing a days work & paying tax, many can't even string a sentence together as for preparing for a job interview .

[Rangie]

It's not "uber pedantic" to point out that a certain generation believed the promises of various govt's/parties that by paying thruppence ha'penny per week into a govt run fund it would somehow pay for a comfortable retirement pension, plus all their medical needs as they age.

And now those generations take up close to 30% of all current govt spending (Pensions 11.3%, NHS 18%) and that's not including "healthcare" which is 43% of govt spending, yet they now pay virtually nothing 'into' the system - not that they ever paid anything meaningful into the system anyway.

It's Ok though, because the young'uns will pay, even if they can't vote.

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I put my life on the line for this country & my pensions don't make up for what I sacrificed over the years, most " young uns" as you put it are barely capable of wiping their arses let alone doing a days work & paying tax, many can't even string a sentence together as for preparing for a job interview , I've sat on panels for HMPS it's like a comedy show the way some turn up .