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[cem_devecioglu]

Israelis have a long relation with oil companies since Rothschild..

They are probably one of the strongest 12 families ruling the world..

if you want proof just google it..

Loads of ex-Rothschild houses around where I live - Waddesdon Manor, Halton House, Hughendon Manor (think thats Rothschild)...  ...they weren't short of a penny when they built them (all National Trust now, except Halton House which is RAF)

In history this family earn too much money over British blood

[TheBoy]

Incidentally, for those who always blame religion, it should be noted that atheism itself is a religion, since it follows a dogma which is intolerant of others and to which any challenge is fiercely resisted.  

Is there a religion for people who do not believe in heavenly gods, but really don't care what others wish to worship?

Apart from my Patron Saint, St Ella, from Leuven in Belgium....

Yep, it's called TB-ism. Apparently, in that religion, you can be  canonised for:

1) sacrificing one's caravan on a flaming pyre

and?......  


 

Buying me Stella Artois...

Avoiding Sony...

Not being afraid to call anything with blue LEDs gay...

[Andy B]

It is land
Palestinian land stolen & given to Israel by the UK & US in 1947

A nicely blinkered statement.

The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times. According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people, by God, as their homeland; scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years. The sites holiest to Judaism are located within Israel.

Between the time of the Israelite kingdoms and the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE and the resultant large-scale expulsion of Jews. In 628/9, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius conducted a massacre and expulsion of the Jews, at which point the Jewish population probably reached its lowest point. Nevertheless, a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel remained. Although the main Jewish population shifted from the Judea region to the Galilee, the Mishnah and part of the Talmud, among Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in Israel during this period. The Land of Israel was captured from the Byzantine Empire around 636 CE during the initial Muslim conquests. Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads, Abbasids, and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.

But then again History means little to a closed mind. If memory serves, the "Palestine" as an area ... actually includes Israel .. in the geographic sense. It is only in recent times that the word has been linked to an attempt to form a "nation"

Although i have no time for religon - I must object to the use of these PC acronyms

Someone will have to enlighten me with what they mean  . I've only come across BC & AD  

[Weds]

This might help....

http://www.globalissues.org/article/119/the-middle-east-conflict-a-brief-background

[stuart30]

Voted dont care.  Even if I did my voicing an opinion would not be listed to and they would still do their own thing.



I vote for the Wombles to over throw the government.  

Little know fact...the Wombles are in fact and Elite band of assassins....hired out too the highest bidder.

The litter picking and general bumbling around is all a front.

Well if Gaza has been invaded i hope he fights back better than he played football. :-?

[Richie London]

its the rather romans, they built the rds. if there was no rds you wouldnt know where to go. so they couldnt do a land assault as they wouldnt know how to get there.  

[feeutfo]

isreali president"no country on earth would tolerate 90 rockets a day"

No country would tolerate even one. An act of war in anyones language. Seems to me Hamas has the response it has been working for...the response it must have craved, what else did they think would happen. And still the rockets are launched.

 Regardless, put yourself in Isreals position, how would you respond to even one rocket attack, never mind 90? I am suprised Gaza has not been leveled tbh. I dont buy the innocent by stander bs either. Millitary targets deliberately placed in built up areas, and those living there allow it, and support/hide hamas safe houses, hamas is a terrorist organisation, which i may add is embroiled in turmoil and in fighting. I dont see the palastinian point of view to the level of breaking laws and human rights, once a person/organisation crosses that line, they have lost in my eyes.

And now, as i sit here, reports of hamas leaders hiding in hospital basements, a fine upstanding organisation...ffs.

On the other hand, i know little of the history or the area. The people though, on both sides, away from their homeland, are a right pain in the arse to deal with, little wonder they are at each others throats. They would find something to fight about, even alone in an empty house.

From what i see, i agree with Entwood.

[Martin_1962]

You launch rockets, you get retaliation.

If they had any sense, they would not have fired them off.

[jereboam]

I see this as a straight black and white issue.  Someone in Gaza is shooting at the Israelis, and won't stop.  Israel has every right to go in there and stop them by any means whatsoever.  There is no question of proportionality - if Israel doesn't react, and its citizens get killed, would the word complain about the Palestinians disproportionate tactics?

The question of whether or not Israel has a right to exist is a different matter.  Despite having been brought up in the Jewish community in London, I have always been deeply opposed to Zionism, and I do not believe that because the Jews lived in that land two or three thousand years ago, the major powers had the right to expel the people who were living there 60 years ago.

In 1967, along with many of my friends, I seriously thought about flying off to Israel to see if we could help in the Six Day War.  We didn't go, because we ultimately came to the conclusion that we really didn't know which side we'd be on.

But in 2009, it's quite clear to me - wipe out the bastards who are doing the shooting, and if the civilian population surrounding the militants won't control them, then they have no right to complain if they get hurt in the fighting.

[cem_devecioglu]

Problem is, long years before those rockets Israel invade their land..

Killing many children and women..

Still cant forget many years ago, Israel soldiers shooting childrens who throw them stones

there is no excuse for that..

[cem_devecioglu]

and look what they are using..

[TheBoy]

Problem is, long years before those rockets Israel invade their land..

Sorry for taking just one part of your post.

The counter argument to that is that the formation of Palestine was an invasion of Jewish lands.  Unless the history can be put aside, there will never be peace there...

That land has belonged to so many different peoples that nobody/everybody has a valid claim to it.

[cem_devecioglu]

Problem is, long years before those rockets Israel invade their land..

Sorry for taking just one part of your post.

The counter argument to that is that the formation of Palestine was an invasion of Jewish lands.  Unless the history can be put aside, there will never be peace there...

That land has belonged to so many different peoples that nobody/everybody has a valid claim to it.

Historically they were living in tribes ..and owning the lands in small areas..and it was the same under Ottoman Empire control.

But after the formation of Israel they claim to have all those lands completely..

And being rich and powerful dont give them the right to have all those lands..As a result this will war will never stop..

[Marks DTM Calib]

I note with interest that the US are sitting on the fence.....cant think why!  

[TheBoy]

Problem is, long years before those rockets Israel invade their land..

Sorry for taking just one part of your post.

The counter argument to that is that the formation of Palestine was an invasion of Jewish lands.  Unless the history can be put aside, there will never be peace there...

That land has belonged to so many different peoples that nobody/everybody has a valid claim to it.

Historically they were living in tribes ..and owning the lands in small areas..and it was the same under Ottoman Empire control.

But after the formation of Israel they claim to have all those lands completely..

And being rich and powerful dont give them the right to have all those lands..As a result this will war will never stop..

As said, the only way peace will prevail there (and in other regions such as the disputed Kashmir region of Pakisatn/India) is to try to put the history as history - which is unlikely to happen as there is too much hatred and distrust between them.


Over here, we had a similar situation - though far less complex, and far less history - in Northern Ireland.  It took big people, who were heads of their followers, to actually sit down, agree to wipe slate clean, and form a coilition.

Although not the same as Northern Ireland by a long shot - although a few lose parallels could be drawn - I don't think anyone in the Isrealli or Palestinian Governments have got the balls.  Nor do I think they want peace in that region...  ...rather than discuss how the Isreallis and Palistians can live together, both want total control of those lands. That will never happen, so there will never be peace.  If either side think they can gain those lands be anniliating the other side, well, that shows the people you are dealing with.

A few years ago, when Israel gave back the West Bank and Gaza Strip, there was a hope that a peaceful resolution, with both sides being prepared to compromise, would be found.