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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #30 on: 21 January 2007, 22:09:46 »

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change the rad....   better safe than sorry.

also sennies always had a tendency to have the temperature rise rapidly if you did a hard run then had to stop for a bit... like hammering along the M40 from warwick and hitting virtually stationary traffic at the top of Stokenchurch hill for a few minutes....   quite often that sort of thing would see rapid temperature rises...   followed by a slow fall when the fan kicked in.


memory eludes me offhand whether the 24V had the same viscous coupling fan type as the 12 valve version.....  

but check it's working either way.....  

Yes, crap viscous fan setup...
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #31 on: 21 January 2007, 22:31:41 »

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Although i pinched a MID if anyone wants a freebie? (Full MID, taken from '98 mini facelift)
Generally, mini faclift MIDs are reliable ;)

Don't suppose you remembered the engine/transmission config of the donor?

2.0, Auto. '98 R Plate.

Surprised you did not see it, interior was in very good nick. I had ALL the fuses from the fuse box, plus the MID  ;)

James -  Damn i felt a swap coming on V6 Rad for MID  :D

Graham - Many thanks, I think a replacement rad is the way to go, any bodge fixes pastes ect will not last. I don't want it springing a leak in the Swiss Alps!

Mark - Yep Viscous fan works, but not exactly free spinning! Think its on its last legs, will swap for leccy one when i replace the rad.
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #32 on: 21 January 2007, 22:35:14 »

don't worry about a small leak on the rad right now, you can change that before you go,  concentrate on whether or not it's pressuring......

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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #33 on: 21 January 2007, 22:36:52 »

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don't worry about a small leak on the rad right now, you can change that before you go,  concentrate on whether or not it's pressuring......


Seams good, did a local run to my m8's about 15 miles ish.. 60/70 mph cruise.

Got there, tested all the pipes, nice and spongey. Header tank was presurised.
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #34 on: 21 January 2007, 22:38:19 »

Should be fine, just change the rad, and watch the levels...
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #35 on: 21 January 2007, 22:41:34 »

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Should be fine, just change the rad, and watch the levels...

Just did the run back to uni, can't be asked to check em now. Will do it in the morning. I suspect i have lost a little coolant
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #36 on: 21 January 2007, 23:19:28 »

I'd suggest a double fan setup ALA Omega V6 for your trip
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #37 on: 21 January 2007, 23:21:41 »

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I'd suggest a double fan setup ALA Omega V6 for your trip

Some fans in the scrappy near me i think.... although the V6 ones are picked over. Think there are some 2.0 fans left
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #38 on: 22 January 2007, 08:46:32 »

I've got the fans.... :)
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #39 on: 22 January 2007, 09:56:31 »

If Graham can't help you out with a radiator, I've got a few 24v Senator one's sitting in my garage you can have one for the cost of posting.

I hope it's not your CHG that's blown, having said that, it's not really that hard to do.

Keep an eye on the coolant. Check for oily deposits in the header tank and mayo in the oil, As has been said before, get a sniffer on the header tank to see if there's exhaust gasses there, (although when the CHG went on my Senny, the sniffer didn't detect anything even though I could only get eh header tank off with a pair of pipe pliers.).

IF your CHG has blown and the oil and water is mixing, (particularly if there's water in the oil!!), then your engine will be toast in about 2000 miles. The bottom end doesn't like exposure to water and destroys the big end(s).

BUT, I have two engines at my disposal, one with new guides on it, but is unrun and one from a Carlton GSI, which was sound the last time I drove the car. We can 'arrange' something if need be!

On the subject of fans, your viscous set up probably stopped working years ago! However, if your car has/had air conditioning, then there should be an electric fan already on board. This is controled by a 'waxstat' which is screwed into the radiator about 2/3rds of the way down the tank on the near/passenger side. You could do one of two things. Purchase a lower temperature waxstat from Vx and and use that to trigger the fan at a cooler temperature, (I think you can get them to start at about 90 degrees,), or bridge the wires and run it permanently or rig it up through a switch to use manually when required.

Good luck!!
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #40 on: 22 January 2007, 09:57:17 »

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2.0, Auto. '98 R Plate.

Surprised you did not see it, interior was in very good nick. I had ALL the fuses from the fuse box, plus the MID  ;)
I did...  ...but was on a Rover mission...
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #41 on: 22 January 2007, 10:26:46 »

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2.0, Auto. '98 R Plate.

Surprised you did not see it, interior was in very good nick. I had ALL the fuses from the fuse box, plus the MID  ;)
I did...  ...but was on a Rover mission...

There was a brand new Espace there that had a nasty front end....

Big Rod - Thanks for the very kind offer, I may very well take you up on that. Just about to go and check the levels now, been checking the oil and coolant constantly as i have a slight oil leak too.

The washer on the sump, was squashed flat, and the 'snapped' bit was not as it should be so i either need to heat it up next time as its copper or get a new one. I have a very slow drip from that washer, but i had a slight over fill on the oil anyway.

Viscous fan still seams to be working, but i will keep checking the scrappy over the coming months for a V6 fan. Or a nice run to Derby might be order  ::)
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #42 on: 22 January 2007, 10:44:59 »

Viscous fan :- Whe the car's hot, stick a carrot in it. If it chops it, it's ok, if it doesn't, then it's goosed!!

Oil leak:- Check down the off/driver's side of the block behind the exhaust manifold. If there's oil running down the middle of it between 3&4 cylinders, (sometimes misdiagnosed as a sump gasket leak!  ::) ), then the CHG is at least on it's way out.

Electric fan:- Your car should already have an electric fan!!
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« Reply #43 on: 22 January 2007, 10:54:21 »

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Viscous fan :- Whe the car's hot, stick a carrot in it. If it chops it, it's ok, if it doesn't, then it's goosed!!

Oil leak:- Check down the off/driver's side of the block behind the exhaust manifold. If there's oil running down the middle of it between 3&4 cylinders, (sometimes misdiagnosed as a sump gasket leak!  ::) ), then the CHG is at least on it's way out.

Electric fan:- Your car should already have an electric fan!!

I was going to fit a second Electric fan, to replace the Viscous one?

The oil, i am 99% sure its the washer. I cleaned the whole sump up, after a days driving there was a drop forming at the bottom of the washer. I checked rest of the sump all good. Sump itself is in very good nick, might have had a new one.

But i am 99% sure its just the washer as i re-used the old knackered one.
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Re: steam from the Senator
« Reply #44 on: 22 January 2007, 11:11:20 »

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On the subject of fans, your viscous set up probably stopped working years ago! However, if your car has/had air conditioning, then there should be an electric fan already on board. This is controled by a 'waxstat' which is screwed into the radiator about 2/3rds of the way down the tank on the near/passenger side. You could do one of two things. Purchase a lower temperature waxstat from Vx and and use that to trigger the fan at a cooler temperature, (I think you can get them to start at about 90 degrees,), or bridge the wires and run it permanently or rig it up through a switch to use manually when required.

Good luck!!


It wasn't on the one we had, the fan was driven by a pressure switch in the aircon line where if the pressure got to high it turned the fan on (which cooled the refrigerant more and hence reduced the pressure).

When ours 'cooked' it was the first thing I looked for before wiring the aircon fan directly to the battery (via a fuse!)
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