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[amigov6]

I suppose the Greens have a point regarding emissions effect on the environment from big motors but i could'nt care less tbh, limp wristed idealistic whingers.
     MV6 or some 1.0 fwd euro box?

           Hardly a dilemma really.

[Omega man 2]

Click on the viper :-?

Catagory: Off road???

Stupid greens

[cem_devecioglu]

may be the greens dont see millions of diesel smoking everyday..

today a diesel suv was just in front of me in the traffic crowd..even if he touches the pedal slightly I cant see anything other than a black cloud..


ps: banjaxx your avatar definitely takes my vote

Hmm. I never understood why Guevara became the poster boy of trendy left. Indeed, I remain unconvinced that he was actually a nice bloke.   

Originally he was a doctor..after the revolution in Cuba, Castro ask him to stay
as a minister..but he refused ..and go for another revolution..

if you read his life , he devote all of it for the exploited,abused masses..

here is a quick link..unfortunately even whats written
here is not completely objective.. :-/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

just think why after many years songs and many writings are done for him..

and for people like me he is a hero..

But not for me, I'm afraid, Cem.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2461399.ece

people dont have to believe in same things..

if you start a revolutinary act , its normal that you live in a struggle of live or die..and its normal that there is no mercy..

and if you look who trapped and killed him,
that organizations history is marked with blood..
assasinations, murders and many bad stories including my country..

[Nickbat]

may be the greens dont see millions of diesel smoking everyday..

today a diesel suv was just in front of me in the traffic crowd..even if he touches the pedal slightly I cant see anything other than a black cloud..


ps: banjaxx your avatar definitely takes my vote

Hmm. I never understood why Guevara became the poster boy of trendy left. Indeed, I remain unconvinced that he was actually a nice bloke.   

Originally he was a doctor..after the revolution in Cuba, Castro ask him to stay
as a minister..but he refused ..and go for another revolution..

if you read his life , he devote all of it for the exploited,abused masses..

here is a quick link..unfortunately even whats written
here is not completely objective.. :-/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

just think why after many years songs and many writings are done for him..

and for people like me he is a hero..

But not for me, I'm afraid, Cem.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2461399.ece

people dont have to believe in same things..

if you start a revolutinary act , its normal that you live in a struggle of live or die..and its normal that there is no mercy..

and if you look who trapped and killed him,
that organizations history is marked with blood..
assasinations, murders and many bad stories including my country..

We have an expression in England, Cem:

"If you live by the sword, you die by the sword."

Guevara and the CIA? A 1-1 draw, I'd say. 

[albitz]

Che was a real cool dude etc.but he helped to create the "socialist utopia" in Cuba,where the citizens arent allowed to leave the country because if they do they wont come back,and many of them risk their lives by constructing makeshift boats and trying to sail to Miami in the good old U.S-home of the "great satan"  capitalism.

[cem_devecioglu]

may be the greens dont see millions of diesel smoking everyday..

today a diesel suv was just in front of me in the traffic crowd..even if he touches the pedal slightly I cant see anything other than a black cloud..


ps: banjaxx your avatar definitely takes my vote

Hmm. I never understood why Guevara became the poster boy of trendy left. Indeed, I remain unconvinced that he was actually a nice bloke.   

Originally he was a doctor..after the revolution in Cuba, Castro ask him to stay
as a minister..but he refused ..and go for another revolution..

if you read his life , he devote all of it for the exploited,abused masses..

here is a quick link..unfortunately even whats written
here is not completely objective.. :-/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

just think why after many years songs and many writings are done for him..

and for people like me he is a hero..

But not for me, I'm afraid, Cem.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2461399.ece

people dont have to believe in same things..

if you start a revolutinary act , its normal that you live in a struggle of live or die..and its normal that there is no mercy..

and if you look who trapped and killed him,
that organizations history is marked with blood..
assasinations, murders and many bad stories including my country..

We have an expression in England, Cem:

"If you live by the sword, you die by the sword."

Guevara and the CIA? A 1-1 draw, I'd say. 

this expression is correct of course..

but the result of match for that times is actually,

dictators-cartels 1 , poor people 0

if Che was succesfull a chain reaction could result  unbelievably:

 cartels-dictators, drug barons who comandate south america could be defeated..

And remember Allende who distributed free milk for children is also bombed by CIA..

[Nickbat]

Those times are hard to understand, Cem, as there was much secrecy. Essentially, both Guevara and Allende were Marxists. In the Cold War atmosphere of the time, the US was as worried about the threat of Marxism as the Iron Curtain countries were worried about the threat of capitalism. Guevara was instrumental in the establishment of the Russian nukes in Cuba and it was the nearest that the World has ever come to nuclear war. So it was unsurprising that the US took the view at the time, that these two people (among others) were undesirable. It was a time when clandestine actions, spying, assassinations and so on were commonplace on either side of the political spectrum. Probably the "dirtiest" time of the 20th century.

Personally, I could never have a Marxist as a hero, but then again maybe I'm just old-fashioned.   

[cem_devecioglu]

Those times are hard to understand, Cem, as there was much secrecy. Essentially, both Guevara and Allende were Marxists. In the Cold War atmosphere of the time, the US was as worried about the threat of Marxism as the Iron Curtain countries were worried about the threat of capitalism. Guevara was instrumental in the establishment of the Russian nukes in Cuba and it was the nearest that the World has ever come to nuclear war. So it was unsurprising that the US took the view at the time, that these two people (among others) were undesirable. It was a time when clandestine actions, spying, assassinations and so on were commonplace on either side of the political spectrum. Probably the "dirtiest" time of the 20th century.

Personally, I could never have a Marxist as a hero, but then again maybe I'm just old-fashioned.   

so am  I 


and for the US.. the last time they worried about Saddam , nearly 1 million people died

Hope they dont worry for us

[Banjax]

may be the greens dont see millions of diesel smoking everyday..

today a diesel suv was just in front of me in the traffic crowd..even if he touches the pedal slightly I cant see anything other than a black cloud..


ps: banjaxx your avatar definitely takes my vote

cheers cem - i feel a revolution in the air - thought i'd summon the spirit of Che!!!

a lot of garbage has been written about the man and the myth - i'm with you Cem he stood up for the oppressed and the disadvantaged - fighting to give 3rd world poor the right to an education and health care - one of the true heroes (there are very few)

[cem_devecioglu]

may be the greens dont see millions of diesel smoking everyday..

today a diesel suv was just in front of me in the traffic crowd..even if he touches the pedal slightly I cant see anything other than a black cloud..


ps: banjaxx your avatar definitely takes my vote

cheers cem - i feel a revolution in the air - thought i'd summon the spirit of Che!!!

a lot of garbage has been written about the man and the myth - i'm with you Cem he stood up for the oppressed and the disadvantaged - fighting to give 3rd world poor the right to an education and health care - one of the true heroes (there are very few)

 

[Martin_1962]

They are mainly good to drive cars

[Nickbat]

Those times are hard to understand, Cem, as there was much secrecy. Essentially, both Guevara and Allende were Marxists. In the Cold War atmosphere of the time, the US was as worried about the threat of Marxism as the Iron Curtain countries were worried about the threat of capitalism. Guevara was instrumental in the establishment of the Russian nukes in Cuba and it was the nearest that the World has ever come to nuclear war. So it was unsurprising that the US took the view at the time, that these two people (among others) were undesirable. It was a time when clandestine actions, spying, assassinations and so on were commonplace on either side of the political spectrum. Probably the "dirtiest" time of the 20th century.

Personally, I could never have a Marxist as a hero, but then again maybe I'm just old-fashioned.   

so am  I 


and for the US.. the last time they worried about Saddam , nearly 1 million people died

Hope they dont worry for us

Cem & Banjaax, the OOF Marx Brothers! 

[cem_devecioglu]

Those times are hard to understand, Cem, as there was much secrecy. Essentially, both Guevara and Allende were Marxists. In the Cold War atmosphere of the time, the US was as worried about the threat of Marxism as the Iron Curtain countries were worried about the threat of capitalism. Guevara was instrumental in the establishment of the Russian nukes in Cuba and it was the nearest that the World has ever come to nuclear war. So it was unsurprising that the US took the view at the time, that these two people (among others) were undesirable. It was a time when clandestine actions, spying, assassinations and so on were commonplace on either side of the political spectrum. Probably the "dirtiest" time of the 20th century.

Personally, I could never have a Marxist as a hero, but then again maybe I'm just old-fashioned.   

so am  I 


and for the US.. the last time they worried about Saddam , nearly 1 million people died

Hope they dont worry for us

Cem & Banjaax, the OOF Marx Brothers! 

 

  Happy to find some other Marx brothers here

[Banjax]

Those times are hard to understand, Cem, as there was much secrecy. Essentially, both Guevara and Allende were Marxists. In the Cold War atmosphere of the time, the US was as worried about the threat of Marxism as the Iron Curtain countries were worried about the threat of capitalism. Guevara was instrumental in the establishment of the Russian nukes in Cuba and it was the nearest that the World has ever come to nuclear war. So it was unsurprising that the US took the view at the time, that these two people (among others) were undesirable. It was a time when clandestine actions, spying, assassinations and so on were commonplace on either side of the political spectrum. Probably the "dirtiest" time of the 20th century.

Personally, I could never have a Marxist as a hero, but then again maybe I'm just old-fashioned.   

so am  I 


and for the US.. the last time they worried about Saddam , nearly 1 million people died

Hope they dont worry for us

Cem & Banjaax, the OOF Marx Brothers! 

vive la revolution comrades!!!

[waspy]

Green cars are not so green. Prius for instance. Ingredients for the batteries are mined in Canada (if i recal correctly) then shipped to the Far East for production. Then there's the diposal of said batteries.
Remember the M5 V's Prius saga on top gear. I rest on your face Greenies
If you care to dig deeper, there's lots to find out about so called green cars