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[Phil]

That 'later' one I think you are referring to was prefacelift - basically 3 ones:
D - early type
EB - replaced D
01 - latest - but still much, much earlier than 2003 cars

GM part No:- 09201887

Tensioners are made by SKF with number 90573616 and B322 14:19 and B301 17:09 on them

The aluminium casting has 01 on it and in the corner it has the casting date (like you get on  hard hats) with 03 in the centre and if i could work out the dots it would prob tell me which month.

But without having an early one to compare it to i cant tell if the bearings are any 'beefier' than before, but it does come back to the origional question why change it and spend money on a re-design if its the same???

[TheBoy]

SET, ENGINE TIMING PARTS X30XE  -08300418 9120501 6 36 728 1  
SET, ENGINE TIMING PARTS  08300419- 08578511 9201887 56 36 385 1  
KIT, TENSIONER, TIMING BELT  08578512-  93172354 56 36 393 1  

Just need to find out when those engine numbers correspond to....  ...My MV6 iirc, comes in middle one, and I think the last is the '01' one...

[Phil]

SET, ENGINE TIMING PARTS X30XE  -08300418 9120501 6 36 728 1  
SET, ENGINE TIMING PARTS  08300419- 08578511 9201887 56 36 385 1  
KIT, TENSIONER, TIMING BELT  08578512-  93172354 56 36 393 1  

Just need to find out when those engine numbers correspond to....  ...My MV6 iirc, comes in middle one, and I think the last is the '01' one...

Mine comes in the middle - 8360***, the kit ive got for, as stated above, ref:- 9201887 is cast as "01"

Now its all getting a bit muddy!!!

[STMO123]

SET, ENGINE TIMING PARTS X30XE  -08300418 9120501 6 36 728 1  
SET, ENGINE TIMING PARTS  08300419- 08578511 9201887 56 36 385 1  
KIT, TENSIONER, TIMING BELT  08578512-  93172354 56 36 393 1  

Just need to find out when those engine numbers correspond to....  ...My MV6 iirc, comes in middle one, and I think the last is the '01' one...

Mine comes in the middle - 8360***, the kit ive got for, as stated above, ref:- 9201887 is cast as "01"

Now its all getting a bit muddy!!!

AAARRRGGGHHHH!

[Markjay]

The original tensioner was D and quotes as 40k/4y replacement.

When the EB replaced D, the new tensioner was quoted as 80k/8y and was also recommended as retrofit to older engines which would upgrade them to 80k/8y as well (see also Haynes on this).

However Vx soon found out that the EB was failing much sooner than this and the service schedule for it was downgraded to 40k/4y.

I am not aware that it was ever officially upgraded again to 80k/8y.

The reason I know this is that my EB tensioner on my previous 97R Omega failed at 60k/4y, and I actually got Vx to chip in and shoulder some of the repair cost because it was the new type of tensioner and the schedule was quoted as 80k/8y at the time. However, when I booked my current 2001Y Omega for service in 2005, I was advised that the cambelt and tensioner need doing because Vx downgraded the schedule to 40k/4y for ALL models old and new. Considering my previous experience, i was not surprised...

[STMO123]

The original tensioner was D and quotes as 40k/4y replacement.

When the EB replaced D, the new tensioner was quoted as 80k/8y and was also recommended as retrofit to older engines which would upgrade them to 80k/8y as well (see also Haynes on this).

However Vx soon found out that the EB was failing much sooner than this and the service schedule for it was downgraded to 40k/4y.

I am not aware that it was ever officially upgraded again to 80k/8y.

The reason I know this is that my EB tensioner on my previous 97R Omega failed at 60k/4y, and I actually got Vx to chip in and shoulder some of the repair cost because it was the new type of tensioner and the schedule was quoted as 80k/8y at the time. However, when I booked my current 2001Y Omega for service in 2005, I was advised that the cambelt and tensioner need doing because Vx downgraded the schedule to 40k/4y for ALL models old and new. Considering my previous experience, i was not surprised...

At last. Nice one Markjay

[Auto Addict]

The original tensioner was D and quotes as 40k/4y replacement.

When the EB replaced D, the new tensioner was quoted as 80k/8y and was also recommended as retrofit to older engines which would upgrade them to 80k/8y as well (see also Haynes on this).

However Vx soon found out that the EB was failing much sooner than this and the service schedule for it was downgraded to 40k/4y.

I am not aware that it was ever officially upgraded again to 80k/8y.

The reason I know this is that my EB tensioner on my previous 97R Omega failed at 60k/4y, and I actually got Vx to chip in and shoulder some of the repair cost because it was the new type of tensioner and the schedule was quoted as 80k/8y at the time. However, when I booked my current 2001Y Omega for service in 2005, I was advised that the cambelt and tensioner need doing because Vx downgraded the schedule to 40k/4y for ALL models old and new. Considering my previous experience, i was not surprised...

At last. Nice one Markjay

....but no pictures.......

[Markjay]

The original tensioner was D and quotes as 40k/4y replacement.

When the EB replaced D, the new tensioner was quoted as 80k/8y and was also recommended as retrofit to older engines which would upgrade them to 80k/8y as well (see also Haynes on this).

However Vx soon found out that the EB was failing much sooner than this and the service schedule for it was downgraded to 40k/4y.

I am not aware that it was ever officially upgraded again to 80k/8y.

The reason I know this is that my EB tensioner on my previous 97R Omega failed at 60k/4y, and I actually got Vx to chip in and shoulder some of the repair cost because it was the new type of tensioner and the schedule was quoted as 80k/8y at the time. However, when I booked my current 2001Y Omega for service in 2005, I was advised that the cambelt and tensioner need doing because Vx downgraded the schedule to 40k/4y for ALL models old and new. Considering my previous experience, i was not surprised...

At last. Nice one Markjay

....but no pictures.......

That was 6 years ago!

[STMO123]

Car went for £6770, £7000 with a cambelt change. Out of my range at the moment, but someone has got a lot of car for that money.

[nixoro]

Car went for £6770, £7000 with a cambelt change. Out of my range at the moment, but someone has got a lot of car for that money.

Jammy beggers whoever bought it

[familyman]

   Just thought i would add this reply to your cambelt argument, you know light touch paper and stand well back,  Even if you have a cambelt done at the dealership and it snaps before 40k or the later 80k they wont pay for repair as the cambelt is veiwed as a wearable item like brake pads!. The time is only a recommended change interval by Vauxhall its still up to you when you change it. The only time you may have some recourse to the dealer is if you have all the tensioners and idlers changed that run on the belt when the belt is changed and can prove that it was one of them that failed then they may help you under 1 year and i beleive 12,000 miles warranty of failed tensioner/idler but not the full 40k or 80k.  okay i've lit the touch paper and now standing back and ducking

[STMO123]

 Just thought i would add this reply to your cambelt argument, you know light touch paper and stand well back,  Even if you have a cambelt done at the dealership and it snaps before 40k or the later 80k they wont pay for repair as the cambelt is veiwed as a wearable item like brake pads!. The time is only a recommended change interval by Vauxhall its still up to you when you change it. The only time you may have some recourse to the dealer is if you have all the tensioners and idlers changed that run on the belt when the belt is changed and can prove that it was one of them that failed then they may help you under 1 year and i beleive 12,000 miles warranty of failed tensioner/idler but not the full 40k or 80k.  okay i've lit the touch paper and now standing back and ducking

I dont think anyone on here is has any misapprehensions about how Vx work. I think the original discussion was more about whether a dealer selling you a car that has exceeded 40000miles changes the cambelt as a matter of course before delivering it to you.
If the dealer accepts that it should be done every 40000 then well and good, but some try to worm out of it by saying the interval is 80000.
I dont think any second hand car would carry more than a 12000/12mth warranty, and this, of course, would include the cambelt, even if it had just been changed.

[familyman]

  sorry all I misunderstood,  the disscusion was more about if a dealer is trying to rip you off rather than if you should wait 80 or 40 k absolute maximum life of cambelt. but if you buy a car thats not due till 80k and it has 60 k on it and 2 years left surely you could argue the cost of belt and tensioner/idlers with network Q as the interval is only a Vauxhall/all other manufacturers  recommended time, if the door swings 1 way for warranty then surley for the sake of a sale they would fit a new belt swinging the warranty door right back at them. Then if they wont throw a cam belt in with the deal then bye bye blackbird. if the car was due at 40 and its got 60 then its done bloody well and if the dealer says its not due till 80 same principle applies. walk away, they'll soon chase you because salemen don't like gas guzzling v6 sitting on there forecourt next to 1.0 petrol sippers which are the current FAD

[Marks DTM Calib]

Thats depends on the dealer (some realy cant be arsed) and if they are willing to consult Vauxhall....I have known them pay a large proportion of the repair costs following premature failure.

[familyman]

 Its all doom and gloom Captan Mainwaring. If you like the car that much do what i do buy it and stick a new cambelt on it any way job done. On a 7 grand motor whats a few hundred quid and on an old banger well you would wouldn't you. I must admit i never let belts go the distance anyway and if a seller tells me i've just had the belt done ask for an invoice and if no invoice well Knock it off the price if your prepared to haggle. if not well....................