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[redelitev6]

We should re-run the election without all the lib dem nonsense-straight fight between labour and conservatives,it's the only way we are going to get a definate result

So ignore the wishes of those who voted Lib Dem and forget they won 57 seats?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

57 seats? what use is that ? only good for holding other parties to ransom ,we'll end up like israel,government held hostage by extremist odd balls dictating policy

[TheBoy]

As for GB causing the financial crises.....Was he in charge of the rest of the world aswell ?? I don't think so 

Was he the Chancellor during the boom economy of first 10yrs of New Labour?  A time when New Labour decided they would destroy what remained of UK manufacturing, instead basing our economic success heavily on the finacial sector, which was further deregulated during this time?

Was he the chancellor that has WASTED 10's, if not 100's of billions of pounds on the permenently broken NHS, and on the (poor) education of our future?

Was he the chancellor that continued to BORROW during the good/boom years, rather than paying off a little of the existing debts?  Did he think the bust years would never come? (he publically said 'this is the end of boom and bust economy').


I'm just the thicko from the local comprehensive, but even I understand basic fiscal management.


So, yes, I do believe he is personally responsible (with others) for the depth of the trouble that the UK is now in 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

We should re-run the election without all the lib dem nonsense-straight fight between labour and conservatives,it's the only way we are going to get a definate result

So ignore the wishes of those who voted Lib Dem and forget they won 57 seats?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

57 seats? what use is that ? only good for holding other parties to ransom ,we'll end up like israel,government held hostage by extremist odd balls dictating policy

So, to repeat, are you seriously suggesting we forget the fact we are a democracy and the populations within the constituencies that are currently Lib Dem, due to them obtaining the most votes, should be discounted, with the nations [unwritten] Constitution being ignored?   Also what about all the other parties Parliamentary seats?

I rather believe you would end up with a revolution, with the wishes of so many people being discarded and one party being in a situation to do what they like.  We already have with the Westminster system a situation where the ruling Party, the Government, being able to pass the vast majority (about 98%) of all the new Bills proposed by them.

Whatever you are suggesting frankly is not practicable or desirable in a  truly democratic system    

In addition and crucially of course, with the two horse race you are suggesting, we could still end up with none obtaining an absolute majority!!!

[Banjax]

As for GB causing the financial crises.....Was he in charge of the rest of the world aswell ?? I don't think so 

Was he the Chancellor during the boom economy of first 10yrs of New Labour?  A time when New Labour decided they would destroy what remained of UK manufacturing, instead basing our economic success heavily on the finacial sector, which was further deregulated during this time?

Was he the chancellor that has WASTED 10's, if not 100's of billions of pounds on the permenently broken NHS, and on the (poor) education of our future?

Was he the chancellor that continued to BORROW during the good/boom years, rather than paying off a little of the existing debts?  Did he think the bust years would never come? (he publically said 'this is the end of boom and bust economy').


I'm just the thicko from the local comprehensive, but even I understand basic fiscal management.


So, yes, I do believe he is personally responsible (with others) for the depth of the trouble that the UK is now in 

Brown doesn't come out smelling of roses, but I remember "Black Wednesday" in the early 90's when a tory government took us to the brink of financial ruin - thats why the tories couldnt get near government in the last 13 years

[cem_devecioglu]

We should re-run the election without all the lib dem nonsense-straight fight between labour and conservatives,it's the only way we are going to get a definate result

So ignore the wishes of those who voted Lib Dem and forget they won 57 seats?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

57 seats? what use is that ? only good for holding other parties to ransom ,we'll end up like israel,government held hostage by extremist odd balls dictating policy

agreed

[Lizzie_Zoom]

We should re-run the election without all the lib dem nonsense-straight fight between labour and conservatives,it's the only way we are going to get a definate result

So ignore the wishes of those who voted Lib Dem and forget they won 57 seats?? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

57 seats? what use is that ? only good for holding other parties to ransom ,we'll end up like israel,government held hostage by extremist odd balls dictating policy

agreed

But Cem, it is what a large number of people in our democracy want!!   That cannot and must not be ignored!

[albitz]

Black Wednesday was pocket change compared to the amounts of money we are in trouble for now.
Anyway I have come to the conclusion that this democracy lark just isnt going to work. We have the Limpdem activists hoping they can hold the country to ransom, when they are nothing more than a bunch of old hippies who dropped too much acid in the 60,s and can no longer think straight.
We have a PM in No 10 who if he had any dignity and wasnt completely deluded would by now have announced that he will resign, but will stay for a few more days to allow the transition to a new govt (that would be statesmanlike)
And we have the Tories who have sold their souls to "progressivism" only to find out that hardly anyone has noticed so they neednt have bothered.
I think the answer is a benevolent dictatorship run by .......................................ME.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Black Wednesday was pocket change compared to the amounts of money we are in trouble for now.
Anyway I have come to the conclusion that this democracy lark just isnt going to work. We have the Limpdem activists hoping they can hold the country to ransom, when they are nothing more than a bunch of old hippies who dropped too much acid in the 60,s and can no longer think straight.
We have a PM in No 10 who if he had any dignity and wasnt completely deluded would by now have announced that he will resign, but will stay for a few more days to allow the transition to a new govt (that would be statesmanlike)
And we have the Tories who have sold their souls to "progressivism" only to find out that hardly anyone has noticed so they neednt have bothered.
I think the answer is a benevolent dictatorship run by .......................................ME.

No, definately not Albs!!

That job is MINE, and you can forget about any elections, as my first task is to ban them in the interests of National Socialism, a much easier system to manage!!

I feel like one of those Dr No moments coming on!!

[redelitev6]

Black Wednesday was pocket change compared to the amounts of money we are in trouble for now.
Anyway I have come to the conclusion that this democracy lark just isnt going to work. We have the Limpdem activists hoping they can hold the country to ransom, when they are nothing more than a bunch of old hippies who dropped too much acid in the 60,s and can no longer think straight.
We have a PM in No 10 who if he had any dignity and wasnt completely deluded would by now have announced that he will resign, but will stay for a few more days to allow the transition to a new govt (that would be statesmanlike)
And we have the Tories who have sold their souls to "progressivism" only to find out that hardly anyone has noticed so they neednt have bothered.
I think the answer is a benevolent dictatorship run by .......................................ME.

No, definately not Albs!!

That job is MINE, and you can forget about any elections, as my first task is to ban them in the interests of National Socialism, a much easier system to manage!!

I feel like one of those Dr No moments coming on!!

now we're talking 

[albitz]

I agree about the elections, cause too many arguments. Better off without them.

I think Clegg should have been careful what he wished for. He is in an unenviable position tbh.
His party activists are a complete disgrace. I have heard many of then interviewed in the last few days and every one of them said that PR is the single most important issue. They dont seem interested in the fact that this country is not very far away from where Greece is, and if we dont get a stable govt. quickly we will be there. The markets will go into freefall and the pound will fall of a cliff. The only thing that matters is that they get the voting system which suits them,
.On the other hand if Clegg goes into coalition with Labour (with or without Brown) with the help of some oddballs to make up the numbers , the economy will fall apart, and the coalition would quickly follow it. And the country would almost certainly hold Clegg responsible and punish him acordingly.
As a footnote about Brown the statesman, did you know that he tapped up the UUP (probably the most right wing party in British politics) about the possibility of support in a coalition - over a week before the election took place.

[OmegaGav]

As for GB causing the financial crises.....Was he in charge of the rest of the world aswell ?? I don't think so 

Was he the Chancellor during the boom economy of first 10yrs of New Labour?  A time when New Labour decided they would destroy what remained of UK manufacturing, instead basing our economic success heavily on the finacial sector, which was further deregulated during this time?

Was he the chancellor that has WASTED 10's, if not 100's of billions of pounds on the permenently broken NHS, and on the (poor) education of our future?

Was he the chancellor that continued to BORROW during the good/boom years, rather than paying off a little of the existing debts?  Did he think the bust years would never come? (he publically said 'this is the end of boom and bust economy').


I'm just the thicko from the local comprehensive, but even I understand basic fiscal management.


So, yes, I do believe he is personally responsible (with others) for the depth of the trouble that the UK is now in 

So...Is GB responsible for the rest of Europe descending into financial chaos ?? Or is it more about peoples obssesion with borrowing and the fact that the financial instutions make huge money out of lending to people who can't afford to repay it ? Or as they now realise it they have actually run out of people to lend to !

[albitz]

Listening to the Scotnats today on the news. ...........they are desperate to get involved in a Labour/Libdem coalition for the single purpose of blackmailing them into sending lots (more) money north of the border, despite the fact that the country doesnt have the money.Its enough to make you want to rebuild Hadrians wall.

[redelitev6]

I agree about the elections, cause too many arguments. Better off without them.

I think Clegg should have been careful what he wished for. He is in an unenviable position tbh.
His party activists are a complete disgrace. I have heard many of then interviewed in the last few days and every one of them said that PR is the single most important issue. They dont seem interested in the fact that this country is not very far away from where Greece is, and if we dont get a stable govt. quickly we will be there. The markets will go into freefall and the pound will fall of a cliff. The only thing that matters is that they get the voting system which suits them,
.On the other hand if Clegg goes into coalition with Labour (with or without Brown) with the help of some oddballs to make up the numbers , the economy will fall apart, and the coalition would quickly follow it. And the country would almost certainly hold Clegg responsible and punish him acordingly.
As a footnote about Brown the statesman, did you know that he tapped up the UUP (probably the most right wing party in British politics) about the possibility of support in a coalition - over a week before the election took place.

Tories should just sit back and watch the labour/lib dem coalition collapse into chaos,wait for a new election to be called and walk into power 

[albitz]

As for GB causing the financial crises.....Was he in charge of the rest of the world aswell ?? I don't think so 

Was he the Chancellor during the boom economy of first 10yrs of New Labour?  A time when New Labour decided they would destroy what remained of UK manufacturing, instead basing our economic success heavily on the finacial sector, which was further deregulated during this time?

Was he the chancellor that has WASTED 10's, if not 100's of billions of pounds on the permenently broken NHS, and on the (poor) education of our future?

Was he the chancellor that continued to BORROW during the good/boom years, rather than paying off a little of the existing debts?  Did he think the bust years would never come? (he publically said 'this is the end of boom and bust economy').


I'm just the thicko from the local comprehensive, but even I understand basic fiscal management.


So, yes, I do believe he is personally responsible (with others) for the depth of the trouble that the UK is now in 

So...Is GB responsible for the rest of Europe descending into financial chaos ?? Or is it more about peoples obssesion with borrowing and the fact that the financial instutions make huge money out of lending to people who can't afford to repay it ? Or as they now realise it they have actually run out of people to lend to !

The reason they are in that position is that they (as countries) have been spending a lot of money that they havent earned, now the chickens are coming home to roost.
The two reasons we arent quite there are 1) we didnt join the Euro, so still have some control over interest rates etc.
2) we have one of the biggest financial centres in the world , which despite its recent problems, has started to recover reasonably well, which in turn generates a relatively high degree of confidence in our economy.
This helps to a degree mask the fact that our govt has been among the very worst in the world of spending money that the country hasnt earned. 

[OmegaGav]

As for GB causing the financial crises.....Was he in charge of the rest of the world aswell ?? I don't think so 

Was he the Chancellor during the boom economy of first 10yrs of New Labour?  A time when New Labour decided they would destroy what remained of UK manufacturing, instead basing our economic success heavily on the finacial sector, which was further deregulated during this time?

Was he the chancellor that has WASTED 10's, if not 100's of billions of pounds on the permenently broken NHS, and on the (poor) education of our future?

Was he the chancellor that continued to BORROW during the good/boom years, rather than paying off a little of the existing debts?  Did he think the bust years would never come? (he publically said 'this is the end of boom and bust economy').


I'm just the thicko from the local comprehensive, but even I understand basic fiscal management.


So, yes, I do believe he is personally responsible (with others) for the depth of the trouble that the UK is now in 

So...Is GB responsible for the rest of Europe descending into financial chaos ?? Or is it more about peoples obssesion with borrowing and the fact that the financial instutions make huge money out of lending to people who can't afford to repay it ? Or as they now realise it they have actually run out of people to lend to !

The reason they are in that position is that they (as countries) have been spending a lot of money that they havent earned, now the chickens are coming home to roost.
The two reasons we arent quite there are 1) we didnt join the Euro, so still have some control over interest rates etc.
2) we have one of the biggest financial centres in the world , which despite its recent problems, has started to recover reasonably well, which in turn generates a relatively high degree of confidence in our economy.
This helps to a degree mask the fact that our govt has been among the very worst in the world of spending money that the country hasnt earned. 

Most of the population of the western world are responsible for doing that...... spending what we haven't got !! from top to bottom credit is destroying us all !!