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[Banjax]

i agree with king cem - tell you what - cut down the trees, dig out the plants, roll up the grass and concrete the lot, let nature never darken your door again........the impudence   

[Gaffers]

The answer is lead pellets, not a water butt. No unnecessary suffering there.

Kevin

 

[Varche]

We mess with nature but the vast majority don't have a clue and care less. Stupid rules made by stupid people in their stupid ivory towers.

Bring back the gamekeeper. We used to get sixpence a rat from our local farmer.

[jerry]

Being a bit of a softie I dont like the thought of killing any animal (though Id never go without a bacon butty of course!), but pests obviously need to be dealt with and the grey can be a pest. Totally agree however that the method of killing should be as quick as posssible to avoid any unnnecessary suffering. As someone once told me in the pet trade when having to get rid of those animals who were too sick, thats why  all small animals have tails and all pet shops a brick wall. Smashing the heads against said wall may be quick but is now, of course, illegal so that to dispose of the sickly mice/hamsters etc youve bought for 50p you now have to take them to the vet for a lethal injection and a yellow bag disposal at whatever the cost is now.
ps-anyone up for a philosophical debate as to HOW animals feel pain ie us humans have a concept of "self"
,sort of "I think therefore I am" to quote Descartes, so when we feel pain we recognize it as harm being done to our "self". But do animals-even the smart ones like dolphins-have that concept? Do they simply "experience" pain or do they too  recognize that it is happening to "them"? Ah well, just a thought... :-/

[steve_daly]

ps-anyone up for a philosophical debate as to HOW animals feel pain ie us humans have a concept of "self"
,sort of "I think therefore I am" to quote Descartes, so when we feel pain we recognize it as harm being done to our "self". But do animals-even the smart ones like dolphins-have that concept? Do they simply "experience" pain or do they too  recognize that it is happening to "them"? Ah well, just a thought... :-/

I should imagine that depends on how intelligent the animal is in the first place. I am sure there is a vast difference in the levels of understanding between mice and dolphins.

Instict and self preservation would also play a part. I am sure a fox being hunted on a Sunday morning by countless hounds is well aware that if it doesn't get away, it's dead.

Was that squirrel 'aware' it was drowning and ultimately going to die, who knows? Not quite sure that the life of a squirrel is worth £1500 I bet you could get drunk, drive and kill someone and probably end up paying less in fines.

[Nickbat]

i agree with king cem - tell you what - cut down the trees, dig out the plants, roll up the grass and concrete the lot, let nature never darken your door again........the impudence   

The point you're missing is that it is because there has been tampering with the natural balance through the introduction of grey squirrels (as with cane toads in Australia) that we have this situation. It's got nothing to do with cutting down trees, concreting etc., etc. But you knew that didn't you? 

[Terbs]

Luckily...no squirells here...BUT...as I said in a similar topic...plaqued with Wood Pigeons.  and I MEAN plaqued !!!

We are not allowed to keep Homing or Racing pigeons around here....but are not allowed to do anything to get rid of Wood Pigeons...

Now we have the latest conservation exercise ..Red Kites.
People stand in my garden, watching them soaring low level above the roof tops...with the usual... 'Oh, aren't they gorgeous'....which turns to 'Oh..bl***y hell' and then leg it indoors...when half a dozen swoop down into the neighbours back garden, then swoop back up squabbling over a bit of food. 

[Banjax]

i agree with king cem - tell you what - cut down the trees, dig out the plants, roll up the grass and concrete the lot, let nature never darken your door again........the impudence   

The point you're missing is that it is because there has been tampering with the natural balance through the introduction of grey squirrels (as with cane toads in Australia) that we have this situation. It's got nothing to do with cutting down trees, concreting etc., etc. But you knew that didn't you? 

ah yes, Nickbat the conservationist......i thought us humans had little effect tho? besides the only threat from grey squirrels is to reds, and since you have none down there..................

[jerry]

Do seagulls count as pests?If they dont, they should. Loads of them round here and always targetting MY car, mostly just after Ive washed it. Ive kept pigeons before, but as Radiomarko will no doubt testify, pigeon sh*t aint nothing compared to what a bloody seagull can drop all over your pride and joy!

[doog]

What ever next eh?
next they will be stopping people from allowing their donkey to go paragliding cos its apparently cruel   

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Yeah....congrats Cem...

[mantahatch]

i agree with king cem - tell you what - cut down the trees, dig out the plants, roll up the grass and concrete the lot, let nature never darken your door again........the impudence   

The point you're missing is that it is because there has been tampering with the natural balance through the introduction of grey squirrels (as with cane toads in Australia) that we have this situation. It's got nothing to do with cutting down trees, concreting etc., etc. But you knew that didn't you? 

ah yes, Nickbat the conservationist......i thought us humans had little effect tho? besides the only threat from grey squirrels is to reds, and since you have none down there..................

Sorry Banjax, but I beg to differ, Brownsea Island in Poole harbour Dorset. They have quite a strong colony of reds 

[Kevin Wood]

Sorry Banjax, but I beg to differ, Brownsea Island in Poole harbour Dorset. They have quite a strong colony of reds 

You can see them on the Isle of Wight as well.

Kevin

[Nickbat]

i agree with king cem - tell you what - cut down the trees, dig out the plants, roll up the grass and concrete the lot, let nature never darken your door again........the impudence   

The point you're missing is that it is because there has been tampering with the natural balance through the introduction of grey squirrels (as with cane toads in Australia) that we have this situation. It's got nothing to do with cutting down trees, concreting etc., etc. But you knew that didn't you? 

ah yes, Nickbat the conservationist......i thought us humans had little effect tho? besides the only threat from grey squirrels is to reds, and since you have none down there..................

Twisting and turning as usual, bj. Yes, I AM a conservationist in the broad sense of the term. And I have NEVER said that humanity has no effect on the environment. Of course it does, just not the catastrophic climate change so favoured by the  dim-witted.

You always try to slur me. I just don't understand why. :-?

[cem_devecioglu]

Yeah....congrats Cem...

Thanks Optimist