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[albitz]

Agreed. I had hoped that it had started to move a little back in the right direction, but today shattered that little illusion.

[albitz]

Just watching the Senna item on TG it puts todays crap racing into perspective and has made all the hours of tedious TG worth watching for these very special 10 minutes.

[Banjax]

DC is a cock who talks complete 'dangle berries',always has been always will be.Eddie Jordan hit the nail on the head.Everyone who bought a ticket or turned on their TV was cheated of the possibility of seeing Alonso try to pass Massa.
I hoped we had seen the end of this sort of unsporting spectacle in F1 with the end of the Scumacher/Ferrari/Jean Todt dynasty of cheats. Ferrari obviously still know that they can ignore sporting ethics and the rules and get away with a light slap on the wrist.
Imo Alonso should have been excluded from todays results and Ferrari should lose the constructors points they had earned so far this season. As a lifelong fan of motorsport it made me sick to my stomach to watch.
 

thats not the same Eddie Jordan who told Ralf Schumacher to back off and let Damon Hill win is it?

DC is just being honest, as was Martin Brundle - both said they'd do the same thing - it's a team sport - the only thing wrong is trying to make team orders illegal - they all do it - Ferrari were just dumb enough to make it obvious. Stupid, unworkable law, Ferrari could just have easily held Massa in the pits for an extra second or two and we'd be none the wiser, or use a special code word as other teams do. If you can't grasp that its a team sport then what have you been watching? What was it DC said..."without a team around you, you'd be sitting on the track in your underpants"

it does stink tho - Ferrari have blown the good press they'd get from Massa clinching a win 1 yr after nearly dying and them finishing 1,2

[Banjax]

Just watching the Senna item on TG it puts todays crap racing into perspective and has made all the hours of tedious TG worth watching for these very special 10 minutes.

excellent piece on Senna 

one of the best TG's I've seen in a while - Veyron record, Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz were good value too - only the Touraeg piece was a bit dull - haven't we seen these type of races too much now?
 8-)

[albitz]

Its a team sport in the sense that the driver needs a team of people to provide him with a car to drive when he is on the track, but once they are in the car they should always be allowed to race unless one of them can win the championship and the other cant.
Im not singing the praises of EJ, I normally think he is an irritating little d**khead, but on this occasion he was spot on imo.Its supposed to be the best drivers in the best cars racing each other ffs, thats the whole point.

[Dishevelled Den]

It strikes me that 'sporting' credentials of those racing in this way are somewhat diminished by the apparently overriding need to promote the brand as a financially lucrative entity - by its organisers and those others who consider the need to make money to be of much greater importance than to celebrate the true values of sportsman/woman/person/ship.

[Chris_H]

It strikes me that 'sporting' credentials of those racing in this way are somewhat diminished by the apparently overriding need to promote the brand as a financially lucrative entity - by its organisers and those others who consider the need to make money to be of much greater importance than to celebrate the true values of sportsman/woman/person/ship.

I think the 'sportsmanship' you speak of is an English (possibly British) peculiarity.  It is where an individual or team takes it upon themselves to interpret the rules in the favour of the sport rather than themselves.  I don't know of any nationalities that would agree with it nowadays.  It still appeals to me but then I back losers generally!

In view of the rules having been explicitly changed to prevent this particular strategy (calling your second-placed car past the first-placed one) then the Ferrari action has to be rule-breaking - and they have been fined.

I agree with those who say this rule is un-workable and another workaround is needed.  Team actions can include getting one driver to hold-up competitors to the advantage their of team-mate which is not banned AFAIK.  So team actions are valid in my view.  It is certainly the case that we were deprived of the Vettel/Webber wheel-to-wheel stuff that we saw previously.

The fine with no points deducted or time penalties seems ineffective to me.  As someone else has remarked, it will just go on the accounts.

[Mr Skrunts]

Just watching the Senna item on TG it puts todays crap racing into perspective and has made all the hours of tedious TG worth watching for these very special 10 minutes.

excellent piece on Senna 

one of the best TG's I've seen in a while - Veyron record, Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz were good value too - only the Touraeg piece was a bit dull - haven't we seen these type of races too much now?
 8-)

Bloody excellent show, and respect to CD for bring top of the leader board considering what her daily driver is. 

[Elite Pete]

DC is a cock who talks complete 'dangle berries',always has been always will be.Eddie Jordan hit the nail on the head.Everyone who bought a ticket or turned on their TV was cheated of the possibility of seeing Alonso try to pass Massa.
I hoped we had seen the end of this sort of unsporting spectacle in F1 with the end of the Scumacher/Ferrari/Jean Todt dynasty of cheats. Ferrari obviously still know that they can ignore sporting ethics and the rules and get away with a light slap on the wrist.
Imo Alonso should have been excluded from todays results and Ferrari should lose the constructors points they had earned so far this season. As a lifelong fan of motorsport it made me sick to my stomach to watch.
 

thats not the same Eddie Jordan who told Ralf Schumacher to back off and let Damon Hill win is it?

DC is just being honest, as was Martin Brundle - both said they'd do the same thing - it's a team sport - the only thing wrong is trying to make team orders illegal - they all do it - Ferrari were just dumb enough to make it obvious. Stupid, unworkable law, Ferrari could just have easily held Massa in the pits for an extra second or two and we'd be none the wiser, or use a special code word as other teams do. If you can't grasp that its a team sport then what have you been watching? What was it DC said..."without a team around you, you'd be sitting on the track in your underpants"

it does stink tho - Ferrari have blown the good press they'd get from Massa clinching a win 1 yr after nearly dying and them finishing 1,2

If Ferrari had been stripped of the win, it would have made everyone think twice about doing it.

[Mysteryman]

Just watching the Senna item on TG it puts todays crap racing into perspective and has made all the hours of tedious TG worth watching for these very special 10 minutes.

excellent piece on Senna 

one of the best TG's I've seen in a while - Veyron record, Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz were good value too - only the Touraeg piece was a bit dull - haven't we seen these type of races too much now?
 8-)

Bloody excellent show, and respect to CD for bring top of the leader board considering what her daily driver is. 

That's 'TC' and 'his'

[albitz]

DC is a cock who talks complete 'dangle berries',always has been always will be.Eddie Jordan hit the nail on the head.Everyone who bought a ticket or turned on their TV was cheated of the possibility of seeing Alonso try to pass Massa.
I hoped we had seen the end of this sort of unsporting spectacle in F1 with the end of the Scumacher/Ferrari/Jean Todt dynasty of cheats. Ferrari obviously still know that they can ignore sporting ethics and the rules and get away with a light slap on the wrist.
Imo Alonso should have been excluded from todays results and Ferrari should lose the constructors points they had earned so far this season. As a lifelong fan of motorsport it made me sick to my stomach to watch.
 

thats not the same Eddie Jordan who told Ralf Schumacher to back off and let Damon Hill win is it?

DC is just being honest, as was Martin Brundle - both said they'd do the same thing - it's a team sport - the only thing wrong is trying to make team orders illegal - they all do it - Ferrari were just dumb enough to make it obvious. Stupid, unworkable law, Ferrari could just have easily held Massa in the pits for an extra second or two and we'd be none the wiser, or use a special code word as other teams do. If you can't grasp that its a team sport then what have you been watching? What was it DC said..."without a team around you, you'd be sitting on the track in your underpants"

it does stink tho - Ferrari have blown the good press they'd get from Massa clinching a win 1 yr after nearly dying and them finishing 1,2

If Ferrari had been stripped of the win, it would have made everyone think twice about doing it.

Precisely.

[bob.dent]

looks like they've covered themselves by getting Massa to say it was his decision and his alone 

I think it was a "damned if he did" and "damned if he didn't" situation. He was hardly going to come out and a say Ferrari were lying which meant he had to bite the bullet and lie himself . The pointless £65,000.00  fine imposed on Ferrari is less than they have to pay Alonso for a day so don't know why the FIA bothered really. Hopefully when it comes before the WMSC they might impose a more fitting penalty.

[henryd]

I would like to see some points docked for what happened,I feel for massa now he knows he has no chance of winning the drivers championship

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Like football......golf..... and many others ......it's not sport ......it's big business. There is no such thing as a professional sport....

[bob.dent]

Like football......golf..... and many others ......it's not sport ......it's big business. There is no such thing as a professional sport....

The reason these sports have become big business is largely due to the so called professional sportsmen and women themselves demanding ever increasing pay as they see themselves at the top of their game and therefore worthy of extortionate salaries. The sport then has to be run as a business in order to finance them.