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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #15 on: 16 October 2010, 17:08:16 »

I don't know about that - where I work everything new comes with Windows 7, and everything that goes back to IT for reimaging (happens a lot with some people!) gets Win7 .. you can even request it and IT will reimage your machine for you.

Perhaps we're not 'big enough' though - 1600 employees globally makes us fairly small compared to HP/IBM etc. I wonder what they're doing with Win7?
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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #16 on: 16 October 2010, 19:03:06 »

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Skipping Vista, Windows 7 runs nicely on low spec kit, certainly does most jobs. Most big corporates still run XP, not looking forward to getting the bespoke apps i have to use running on 7!
Windows 7 won't run that well on netbooks, esp by the time the vendor has put their buggy bloat on.  I certainly don't think I'll be getting a W7 netbook any time soon.

As to most big corporates, Mr Student, what rubbish. Sky may, but lets face it, they are a bit of an up-and-over garage door outfit ;)


Most corporates will replace desktops every 4 years, for tax purposes.  Most corporates now do not use Software Assurance for Windows, so the licence is for the Windows provided (though occasionally use downgrade rights, but this is more expensive).  Therefore, most corporates go to newer Windows, as soon as that newer version is considered stable (usually after testing first SP).  Thats why Vista is king in the corporate world currently, although W7 is making headway, despite still being on gold...
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« Reply #17 on: 16 October 2010, 21:55:38 »

Depend which corporate you are looking at, I ran support for a pharmaceutical company some time back and trust me they might be swimming in cash but no software upgrades are done without huge amounts of testing. GSK for example were just rolling out a final approved Office 2003 build about 2 months after Office 2007 released  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: 17 October 2010, 08:39:06 »

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Skipping Vista, Windows 7 runs nicely on low spec kit, certainly does most jobs. Most big corporates still run XP, not looking forward to getting the bespoke apps i have to use running on 7!
Windows 7 won't run that well on netbooks, esp by the time the vendor has put their buggy bloat on.  I certainly don't think I'll be getting a W7 netbook any time soon.

As to most big corporates, Mr Student, what rubbish. Sky may, but lets face it, they are a bit of an up-and-over garage door outfit ;)


Most corporates will replace desktops every 4 years, for tax purposes.  Most corporates now do not use Software Assurance for Windows, so the licence is for the Windows provided (though occasionally use downgrade rights, but this is more expensive).  Therefore, most corporates go to newer Windows, as soon as that newer version is considered stable (usually after testing first SP).  Thats why Vista is king in the corporate world currently, although W7 is making headway, despite still being on gold...

I was thinking of a DIY home build rather than out of the box, 7 runs well on my media box (which is about as powerful as Notebook)

I know people at loads of big corporates, they all still run XP. I received a new laptop a few months ago, it has a 7 key on it, but its running XP!

The problem is all the bespoke apps companies use for their individual needs, if those don't work on 7 they won't upgrade. Our team would refuse the upgrade point blank, programs we use don't work on 7 or have bugs and some of the developers/publishers have gone bust so getting updated version will be impossible. 
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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #19 on: 17 October 2010, 21:24:24 »

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Skipping Vista, Windows 7 runs nicely on low spec kit, certainly does most jobs. Most big corporates still run XP, not looking forward to getting the bespoke apps i have to use running on 7!
Windows 7 won't run that well on netbooks, esp by the time the vendor has put their buggy bloat on.  I certainly don't think I'll be getting a W7 netbook any time soon.

As to most big corporates, Mr Student, what rubbish. Sky may, but lets face it, they are a bit of an up-and-over garage door outfit ;)


Most corporates will replace desktops every 4 years, for tax purposes.  Most corporates now do not use Software Assurance for Windows, so the licence is for the Windows provided (though occasionally use downgrade rights, but this is more expensive).  Therefore, most corporates go to newer Windows, as soon as that newer version is considered stable (usually after testing first SP).  Thats why Vista is king in the corporate world currently, although W7 is making headway, despite still being on gold...

I was thinking of a DIY home build rather than out of the box, 7 runs well on my media box (which is about as powerful as Notebook)

I know people at loads of big corporates, they all still run XP. I received a new laptop a few months ago, it has a 7 key on it, but its running XP!

The problem is all the bespoke apps companies use for their individual needs, if those don't work on 7 they won't upgrade. Our team would refuse the upgrade point blank, programs we use don't work on 7 or have bugs and some of the developers/publishers have gone bust so getting updated version will be impossible. 
Problem with putting a fresh build on a vendor supplied PC with an OEM licence is getting the media that will work with the OEM key ;)

Of course, there are a million and one ways around that, but absolutely no discussion of that is allowed here, irrespective of if somebody believes they are morally allowed to.


As to XP in corporates, trust me, the vast majority are well into their rollout of non XP machines ;)

Also, MS has pulled the downgrade licences to XP, so no vendor can provide it.  As virtually every company out their has used the OEM licence from the vendor for the past 10yrs, and OEM licences aren't transferrable, that adds to the cost considerably (an XP Pro is around £250, an OEM is around £130 (but has other issues surrounding having to buy hardware to be able to legally use it)).
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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #20 on: 18 October 2010, 09:50:01 »

I bought an asus eec netbook for the mrs about 6 months ago with intel atom pro , 250gb h/d and 1gb ram running windows 7 she is on it every day almost and it hasn't missed a beat paid £165 for it off ebay! brand new returns came with 2yr warrenty . great little machine and relly quick  :y :y
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« Reply #21 on: 18 October 2010, 10:38:55 »

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I bought an asus eec netbook for the mrs about 6 months ago with intel atom pro , 250gb h/d and 1gb ram running windows 7 she is on it every day almost and it hasn't missed a beat paid £165 for it off ebay! brand new returns came with 2yr warrenty . great little machine and relly quick  :y :y
Speed is relative to what you are used to. Those 1.6Ghz Atoms I think are dog slow. Certainly, I couldn't tolerate an Atom based XP machine for day to day use, let alone Windows 7.

I nearly bought a Toshiba one yesterday from the cash and carry, it had a proper Celery chip. But then that showed on the battery life (Celerons aren't good on power).
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« Reply #22 on: 18 October 2010, 10:56:34 »

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I bought an asus eec netbook for the mrs about 6 months ago with intel atom pro , 250gb h/d and 1gb ram running windows 7 she is on it every day almost and it hasn't missed a beat paid £165 for it off ebay! brand new returns came with 2yr warrenty . great little machine and relly quick  :y :y
Speed is relative to what you are used to. Those 1.6Ghz Atoms I think are dog slow. Certainly, I couldn't tolerate an Atom based XP machine for day to day use, let alone Windows 7.

I nearly bought a Toshiba one yesterday from the cash and carry, it had a proper Celery chip. But then that showed on the battery life (Celerons aren't good on power).

visual studio 6 compilers even with large projetcs work well on atom..

also .net compilation not that different from my home pc.. :)
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« Reply #23 on: 18 October 2010, 10:59:07 »

honestly I can sacrifice an lpt port having stronger big screen machine for the sake of a light easy to carry model..
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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #24 on: 18 October 2010, 11:31:54 »

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Speed is relative to what you are used to. Those 1.6Ghz Atoms I think are dog slow. Certainly, I couldn't tolerate an Atom based XP machine for day to day use, let alone Windows 7.

I nearly bought a Toshiba one yesterday from the cash and carry, it had a proper Celery chip. But then that showed on the battery life (Celerons aren't good on power).

Not wrong there. I would have thought a Celeron netbook would be quite uncomfortable on your lap in front of the TV (which is the normal use for a Netbook, let's face it).

It would either have to have a gale blowing through it or it would conduct a worrying about of heat downwards towards parts which can be sensitive. :o

The Atom, on the other hand, seems very frugal from a power consumption point of view.

Mine (N270 with 2G RAM) is certainly plenty quick enough running Linux for general surfing the net and bearable for more hungry tasks like editing and batch processing photos.

In my opinion, with more involved tasks, the display on an Atom Netbook is going to become a limitation at about the same point as CPU grunt, so you might as well have the low power consumption.

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« Reply #25 on: 18 October 2010, 11:56:15 »

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In my opinion, with more involved tasks, the display on an Atom Netbook is going to become a limitation at about the same point as CPU grunt, so you might as well have the low power consumption.

That was the thing that drove me to offload my two (long story!) Asus eeePCs on eBay - I couldn't bear the tiny amount of screen real estate.. Like Chris, I'd much rather use my iPad ;)

Although most of the time I sit with the i7 MBP beside me, which is not exactly frugal on power, heat, nor lightweight  ;D
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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #26 on: 18 October 2010, 12:58:08 »

Lots of interesting points on stuff that i haven't a clue what your on about  :-[ ;D ;D

But in summary a little samsung N139 or something similar should be fine for her yeah :y
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« Reply #27 on: 18 October 2010, 17:57:15 »

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Speed is relative to what you are used to. Those 1.6Ghz Atoms I think are dog slow. Certainly, I couldn't tolerate an Atom based XP machine for day to day use, let alone Windows 7.

I nearly bought a Toshiba one yesterday from the cash and carry, it had a proper Celery chip. But then that showed on the battery life (Celerons aren't good on power).

Not wrong there. I would have thought a Celeron netbook would be quite uncomfortable on your lap in front of the TV (which is the normal use for a Netbook, let's face it).

It would either have to have a gale blowing through it or it would conduct a worrying about of heat downwards towards parts which can be sensitive. :o

The Atom, on the other hand, seems very frugal from a power consumption point of view.

Mine (N270 with 2G RAM) is certainly plenty quick enough running Linux for general surfing the net and bearable for more hungry tasks like editing and batch processing photos.

In my opinion, with more involved tasks, the display on an Atom Netbook is going to become a limitation at about the same point as CPU grunt, so you might as well have the low power consumption.

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Modern celeries aren't too bad - her lappy, a £228 HP 6820s, is a celery, and does get hot. Unlike here previous P4 Latitude ;D.  For the money, here lappy is ideal for here needs, bit too big for me (17" screen).

My own one is an HP 6720s Core2 Duo 2Ghz, 3yrs old now, nice, cool, quiet, fast. Getting a bit battered about (it goes to meets, outdoors, garage etc etc), and is currently balanced on edge of the bath. Again. As it has the legs to run Win7, thats what it runs.
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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #28 on: 18 October 2010, 21:41:55 »

Just bought one of these for my Daughter and it fits your bill

Within your budget
AND PINK ;-)
Tescos are selling them at the moment..

Dell Mini 1012 N450, 1GB 250GB 10.1" Netbook Pink

http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.209-4409.aspx
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Re: After a new Netbook
« Reply #29 on: 19 October 2010, 18:56:22 »

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Just bought one of these for my Daughter and it fits your bill

Within your budget
AND PINK ;-)
Tescos are selling them at the moment..

Dell Mini 1012 N450, 1GB 250GB 10.1" Netbook Pink

http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.209-4409.aspx
Pricey for the spec (assuming same price as the tesco at work)
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