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[Martin_1962]

I agree. What Bliar and co. did to freedom and democracy in this country was utterly criminal, in fact most of the things they did while in power were utterly criminal imo.
I see Gaddafi has just declared a ceasefire in Libya.The mind games continue.

Blair is as far as I am concerned a traitor.

Libya is a civil war between a corrupt dictator and the ordinary person.

[Dishevelled Den]

Cease fire declared. Pity, I thought it might be an interesting weekend. Looks like it's Morrisons again for me.

Never mind Steve - there's always next weekend, when Albs comes back from Milan.

Did you have remind me Z ?.....I  have to watch a game of football while Im there.

The fact that it’s in Milan should lighten the load somewhat son.

[cem_devecioglu]

I agree. What Bliar and co. did to freedom and democracy in this country was utterly criminal, in fact most of the things they did while in power were utterly criminal imo.
I see Gaddafi has just declared a ceasefire in Libya.The mind games continue.

Blair is as far as I am concerned a traitor.

Libya is a civil war between a corrupt dictator and the ordinary person.

and the people hired by some

[CaptainZok]

Cease fire declared. Pity, I thought it might be an interesting weekend. Looks like it's Morrisons again for me.

Never mind Steve - there's always next weekend, when Albs comes back from Milan.

Did you have remind me Z ?.....I  have to watch a game of football while Im there.

The fact that it’s in Milan should lighten the load somewhat son.

Remake of the Italian Job?
Micheal Caine meets Frank Spencer.

[Marks DTM Calib]

If we dont have the planes and carriers (no bad thing) then we cant get heavily involved (no bad thing) this means less expense (no bad thing).

Its just win, win, win 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Hopefully the UN resolution has made Gadaffi sit up and take notice that the international community won't sit on their hands and watch while he murders the people of Libya.... and in my view that goes for the other despots aound the world as well!

I'm glad that the UN has finally got round to assuming a position on this, as if we did nothing we would be witnessing genocide in Bengazi and the world has sat and watched too many genocides in recent history.... Cambodia, The Balkans, Rwanda and the DRC spring to mind 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

If we dont have the planes and carriers (no bad thing) then we cant get heavily involved (no bad thing) this means less expense (no bad thing).

Its just win, win, win 

But we do have enough Tornado GR4's, Typhoons, and even Nimrod's,  R1's that is, are available.  We don't need the carriers as thanks to our old Empire we can still use Gibraltar, Malta and Cyprus

But of course it will also be the French, Italians, and whatever the Arab League nations are prepared to use, involved, not just British resources!

Well done by the way to David Cameron for playing this policy all the way through, against initial great (USA) opposition, to arrive at this historic UN commitment!

[sierrapaul]

i think we should take blair and brown and the outher idiots out to the middle east and NUKE the lot of them

[albitz]

Cease fire declared. Pity, I thought it might be an interesting weekend. Looks like it's Morrisons again for me.

Never mind Steve - there's always next weekend, when Albs comes back from Milan.

Did you have remind me Z ?.....I  have to watch a game of football while Im there.

The fact that it’s in Milan should lighten the load somewhat son.

Oh yeah - football,shops and more shops.Interspersed with a visit to lake Como.
I turned down the chance of A visit to the ferrari and Ducati factories while Im there because I couldnt be arsed- I really am old now.
Currently sat in a hotel near Gatwick - bored - waitng for the great joy of flying with Sleazyjets finest early in the morning.

[Amigo]

We've got no planes or carriers to launch them from & hav'nt we learnt our lesson getting involved in everyone elses fights?
   
  We're no good at it & we can't afford it, we can't police the world, where do we draw the line?

[Nickbat]

We've got no planes or carriers to launch them from & hav'nt we learnt our lesson getting involved in everyone elses fights?
   
  We're no good at it & we can't afford it, we can't police the world, where do we draw the line?

When there's political capital to be gained, there is no line, Amigo.

Or am I way too cynical? :-/

[Vamps]

I wish to say nice things about freedom and etc etc like Lizzie but those events is another kind..

first this is the war of multinational companies and their owners .. anyone who doesnt believe me check the names and you will see their link to those companies..I really feel bad for young soldiers who will loose their lifes or got nothing except a medal for a  war which is not their responsibility..

uncle sam as usual will gulp all profits in the end where they will try to stop Brits in every way as done before..

Cem, your hatred of America and capitalism knows no bounds does it? 

The UN no-fly zone is supported by the African Union and the Arab League and was pushed by France & the UK upon an initially-reluctant US. It IS about saving civilian lives...though whether it will end in success is another matter.  :-/   

hatred of America .. wrong, very wrong I'm afraid.. there are mortals and slaves like us ..  problem is the rich vampires there living on wars and human blood

" African Union and the Arab League and was pushed by France & the UK upon an initially-reluctant US.."

very interesting mixture..un-democratic Arab and African countries doesnt disturb west from freedom point of view if they continue to pump oil

and as far as I remember the last time west decided to bring freedom to Iraq they saved more than 1 million lifes   .. isnt it ?

Sorry Cem, but I am far from rich, sadly.......

[Banjax]

We've got no planes or carriers to launch them from & hav'nt we learnt our lesson getting involved in everyone elses fights?
   
  We're no good at it & we can't afford it, we can't police the world, where do we draw the line?

When there's political capital to be gained, there is no line, Amigo.

Or am I way too cynical? :-/

they can dress it up how they like: humanitarian aid, freedom from oppression, bringing democracy and the will of the people to another part of the world but the fact is, if Libya had no oil it wouldn't be on the news...i cite the ongoing massacre on the Ivory Coast as proof - not a peep about it from anyone 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

If we dont have the planes and carriers (no bad thing) then we cant get heavily involved (no bad thing) this means less expense (no bad thing).

Its just win, win, win 

But we do have enough Tornado GR4's, Typhoons, and even Nimrod's,  R1's that is, are available.  We don't need the carriers as thanks to our old Empire we can still use Gibraltar, Malta and Cyprus

But of course it will also be the French, Italians, and whatever the Arab League nations are prepared to use, involved, not just British resources!

Well done by the way to David Cameron for playing this policy all the way through, against initial great (USA) opposition, to arrive at this historic UN commitment!

No one wanted to comment on my post then!!

Oh, well!!

[aaronjb]

Nobody wanted to argue with you? Or maybe everyone agreed?