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Piston ring job, this weekend
« on: 25 July 2009, 21:45:10 »

Firstly thanks to Ziad for the link :y

This weekend, I am going to be changing my piston rings in the Ashtray. It's using more oil than goodness knows what.

 Got a garage to work in - going to do it over 2 days.

Anyone not too far away (preferably with experience of doing rings!) fancing coming down?
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #1 on: 25 July 2009, 21:52:45 »

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Firstly thanks to Ziad for the link :y

This weekend, I am going to be changing my piston rings in the Ashtray. It's using more oil than goodness knows what.

 Got a garage to work in - going to do it over 2 days.

Anyone not too far away (preferably with experience of doing rings!) fancing coming down?

Most welcome mate. Happy to know that u gonna sort out the oil guzzler and happy i have been of help :y
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #2 on: 25 July 2009, 21:56:10 »

get a proper car that puts power to the rear wheels  :y
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #3 on: 25 July 2009, 22:10:39 »

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Firstly thanks to Ziad for the link :y

This weekend, I am going to be changing my piston rings in the Ashtray. It's using more oil than goodness knows what.

 Got a garage to work in - going to do it over 2 days.

Anyone not too far away (preferably with experience of doing rings!) fancing coming down?
That'll be Daz then, but not the rings your on about ;D ;D
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #4 on: 25 July 2009, 22:34:03 »

Good luck with it mate, im sure you will sort it  :y
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #5 on: 25 July 2009, 23:11:58 »

Count the pistons before you put the head back on :y
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #6 on: 26 July 2009, 00:14:08 »

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Count the pistons before you put the head back on :y

eh???  ::)
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #7 on: 26 July 2009, 19:38:23 »

piston rings are easy once you have all the correct tools James,
i.e pistonring compressor for replacing them in the bores after you have replaced,
however the kicker is its not just a case of removing old ones and replacing them with new!!
when ou strip the old ones out you will probably find they are gummed up with carbon and hence undable to move hence you oil burning problem as the rings are stuck in the pistons!!(thats a guess by the way it may not be the fault)
so whe the pistons are out very carefully remove the original rings from each piston, then very carefully BREAK ONE!!!! when this is done you have a perfect sized scraper to clean out the ring lands on the pistons, use the sharp edge to dig out the carbon and get the pistons as clean as possible i,e all carbon deposits removed so the new rings can move freely round the pistons dont attempt to fit the new rings till you can use the reverse side oif your scraper to check if it slides in and out of the lands freely!! dont forget to glaze bust the bores with a suitable glaze buster clean them out then lightly oil them before fitting pistons back in!!
hope this helps its the shortest version i could do you!! :y

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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #8 on: 26 July 2009, 21:01:51 »

... and once it's back together you need to be careful how you run it in to ensure the rings bed in properly.

Don't let it idle for ages, take it straight out on the road once it's warmed up.

IMHO, don't run it in gently. Give it plenty of brief bursts of full throttle acceleration but limit revs to, say, 5k, and allow periods of overrun in-between to draw some oil up into the rigs and cool them. Keep the driving dynamic. No motorway cruising. The first 50 miles or so will make all the difference.

Give it some cheap mineral oil to start with too, and drop it after 500 / 1000 miles.

Kevin
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #9 on: 26 July 2009, 21:27:02 »

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Firstly thanks to Ziad for the link :y

This weekend, I am going to be changing my piston rings in the Ashtray. It's using more oil than goodness knows what.

 Got a garage to work in - going to do it over 2 days.

Anyone not too far away (preferably with experience of doing rings!) fancing coming down?
That'll be Daz then, but not the rings your on about ;D ;D


Splendid EP  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #10 on: 27 July 2009, 13:00:47 »

Been a while since I've replaced rings on an engine...  Is there stilla need to check/set/adjust ring end gap in the bores or is it accepted that they will fit properly first time?     :-/

Be a shame to rebuilt the engine then the rings break first time the engine is run as they are too long for the least worn bit of the bore....   :-[
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #11 on: 27 July 2009, 13:09:30 »

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Been a while since I've replaced rings on an engine...  Is there stilla need to check/set/adjust ring end gap in the bores or is it accepted that they will fit properly first time?     :-/

Be a shame to rebuilt the engine then the rings break first time the engine is run as they are too long for the least worn bit of the bore....   :-[

Good point. It needs to be checked IMHO.

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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #12 on: 27 July 2009, 13:13:22 »

Actually, might be worth checking the ring clearance in the piston groove too. I've junked a set of pistons from a relatively youthful engine (100k) due to that before now, and the workshop I used said it's not uncommon for them to wear.

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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #13 on: 27 July 2009, 13:16:30 »

Last time I did a ring job without reboring the block I got a set with a stepped top/compression ring so that it did not interfere with the edge of the unworn top portion of the bore.  Best to avoid hitting the hard steely bits with the brittle rings...
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Re: Piston ring job, this weekend
« Reply #14 on: 27 July 2009, 13:22:13 »

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Last time I did a ring job without reboring the block I got a set with a stepped top/compression ring so that it did not interfere with the edge of the unworn top portion of the bore.  Best to avoid hitting the hard steely bits with the brittle rings...

I think you can get a tool to ream the edge down as well. Never done it though. Needs an experienced eye to decide where on the scale of "slap some new rings in and hope for the best"  to "full rebuild" we are. :-/

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