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[Mr Skrunts]

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[Mr Skrunts]

There's a word for vehicles which are pulled from the front - horsecart.

I *hate* fwd cars - the only reason is cheapness. a proper car has the engine at the front, and drive wheels at the back.

But a properly sorted car has beeter weight distribution which is why some cars fit thier gearbox's at the rear, not sure if the corvette is one of these.

Others will say a peoper car is mid engined, and other rear engined with rear wheel drive. 

[mh_trigger]

Leave the engine  in the front as FWD, then stick another in the back then you have 3 drive choices.

FWD, RWD or 4 Wheel drive.  and yes it has been done before.

LMFAO

Thats definatley something to consider!

[bigegg]

There's a word for vehicles which are pulled from the front - horsecart.

I *hate* fwd cars - the only reason is cheapness. a proper car has the engine at the front, and drive wheels at the back.

But a properly sorted car has beeter weight distribution which is why some cars fit thier gearbox's at the rear, not sure if the corvette is one of these.

Others will say a peoper car is mid engined, and other rear engined with rear wheel drive. 

Weight distribution is easy - b&q sell 25kg bags of sand for 99p.[1]
pile some in the boot if you need more weight at the back.
can't do that with a fwd (cept a beetle)


[1] £14.86 i spent to keep me mobile in january 

[mh_trigger]

just like the slab of concrete in front of old sports beetle!

[Mr Skrunts]

I had a car mag with a factory build Scirocco in it, they put 2 x210bhp engines, 1 front, 1 rear.

Then could run either or both engines.  and reckon about 4 secs to 60 and a theorectical top speed of 189mph if they could max the race engibes, dont think they took it above 150/160 because of the aerodynamics, am talking lates 70's early 80's when ever the car came out, not sure when.

[mh_trigger]

lol.it really is amazing what could be done back in the 'good old days' just like the cat b rally cars!good old metro 6r4 etc!

[Mr Skrunts]

lol.it really is amazing what could be done back in the 'good old days' just like the cat b rally cars!good old metro 6r4 etc!

Not many, and the list goes on.

[Sixstring]

Can I chuck my tuppence in here?


I have a few cars, but one of them is a FWD 2.5V6 24v, one is a RWD 3.0V6 24v, and lastly, one is a little 16v 1.4 hatch.

Which handles better?   Which goes round corners safer?  which is the most fun?

Amazingly, the smallest engined FWD one.

Now I have had Dolly Sprints, Lotus Cortinas, Lots of "proper" souped up cars, but that little Corsa is definately the easiest to drive, inspires the most confidence, the limit of adhesion is easy to find, but controllable, and day to day, its the most FUN to drive. (as well as being the cheapest to run and insure!!)
I am not really a Corsa fan, but I can drive like a hooligan in that and feel totally in control.

RWD or FWD?  very much depends on what you want to do with it, and the power you want to get from it.  there is not really a hard and fast  "this is better" rule. Horses for courses.

[Bojan]

FWD lift off oversteer is to me extremely dangerous and is why I always think big engines should drive the back

[Martin_1962]

Rule no 1 NEVER follow a small RWD car at the limit through bends, they brake when you don't want to, so you geet out of shape while I am laughing at the plonker getting out of shape.

If it looks like it has escaped from a rally leave a gap.

[VXL V6]

All depends on how competent the driver is and if they are capable of 'heel and toeing', but then, lets be honest, the vast majority of us drive a car sensibly most of the time with consideration for what might be around that next bend.

[Martin_1962]

All depends on how competent the driver is and if they are capable of 'heel and toeing', but then, lets be honest, the vast majority of us drive a car sensibly most of the time with consideration for what might be around that next bend.

When I had my Sunbeam it was a bit of a hot hatch magnet, and I knew my commute very well, and more than once I have seen cars getting out of shape trying to follow me.

I'm a lot older and more careful now

[24_Valve]

Bigegg wrote:

There's a word for vehicles which are pulled from the front - horsecart.  I *hate* fwd cars - the only reason is cheapness. a proper car has the engine at the front, and drive wheels at the back.

let's say you & I both need to get a heavy trailer up a hill... you can use a harness to pull it or stand behind & push? I've already got my harness on while your thinking about it 

Top end Motorway cruising RWD every time hard into the bends, wet cornering & icy roads FWD. This is why RWD need traction control 

Albs wrote:

As I said in another recent thread on the subject - there is no such thing as a purpose built FWD competition car afaik - theres a good reason for that

Sorry Albs, have to disagree after owning a Neon ACR for 5 years  (All SRT-4 & ACR Neons are FWD)

"In SCCA ProRally racing, the SRT-4 (and more recently the ACR version) has dominated the Group 5 (2WD) class since 2003. In just its first year competing, the Dodge ended the stranglehold that the FWD DSMs and Volkswagens had on the class. With three competing the following year, the SRT-4 won every 2004 series race and end-of-season award. The SRT-4 has won every Group 5 and 2-Wheel-Drive class championship in US ProRally and Sno Drift since 2003, and its unprecedented dominance in 2004 helped Dodge earn its first US ProRally Manufacturers Championship in 28 years."

http://www.thesupercars.org/dodge/dodge-neon-srt-4/

[bigegg]

Bigegg wrote:

There's a word for vehicles which are pulled from the front - horsecart. 

let's say you & I both need to get a heavy trailer up a hill... you can use a harness to pull it or stand behind & push? I've already got my harness on while your thinking about it 

I'd hook it up to the back of the car and pull it.
And because it's a RWD car, the heavy trailer pushes the drive wheels into the road, instead of lifting them off the road.

alternatively -
let's agree that we do it with the harness.
you use just your arms (FWD)
I'll use just my legs.