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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Which would make more sense, ex-pm, still a high profile terrorist target but not worthy of a Daimler anymore

Yep, absolutely, poor Maggie!!

[scimmy_man]

no I have seen the photo of Maggie with the car,

I have seen the armoured and wired up with all the bells and whistles car in the flesh, its a few years ago.

apparently they use several different places around the country he said, as no one looked twice at them.

With an Omega?

If so it was post her being PM

he has had various prestiege cars for years, but never anything to showy, he currently runs a fleet of Volvos,
as you say the photo must have been after she was PM, it was in his office a few years ago, and he still had the omegas, with turbos too IIRC. I know they were souped up.
he claimed they were good for over 160mph even with all the extras,
he told me the cars had to go to a specialist for any work, (for security reasons,) or he would loose his contract.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

no I have seen the photo of Maggie with the car,

I have seen the armoured and wired up with all the bells and whistles car in the flesh, its a few years ago.

apparently they use several different places around the country he said, as no one looked twice at them.

With an Omega?

If so it was post her being PM

he has had various prestiege cars for years, but never anything to showy, he currently runs a fleet of Volvos,
as you say the photo must have been after she was PM, it was in his office a few years ago, and he still had the omegas, with turbos too IIRC. I know they were souped up.
he claimed they were good for over 160mph even with all the extras,
he told me the cars had to go to a specialist for any work, (for security reasons,) or he would loose his contract.

Thanks SM, that is interesting    

They require top end speed, even with the armour, to get out of any trouble, which I know those drivers are trained to do, and often in reverse with no sparing of the gearbox or engine 8-) 8-)

[hotel21]

Thanks SM, that is interesting    

They require top end speed, even with the armour, to get out of any trouble, which I know those drivers are trained to do, and often in reverse with no sparing of the gearbox or engine 8-) 8-)

aye aye, TB....      

[Dishevelled Den]

Thanks SM, that is interesting    

They require top end speed, even with the armour, to get out of any trouble, which I know those drivers are trained to do, and often in reverse with no sparing of the gearbox or engine 8-) 8-)

Armoured saloon vehicles are pigs to drive; I was given a very clear message that they should not be driven at speed - except in extremis - very early in my career. (And on a couple of occasions through the years)

I certainly would not recommend driving them unduly quickly as, if they're pushed too hard they tend to bite quite dramatically.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Thanks SM, that is interesting    

They require top end speed, even with the armour, to get out of any trouble, which I know those drivers are trained to do, and often in reverse with no sparing of the gearbox or engine 8-) 8-)

Armoured saloon vehicles are pigs to drive; I was given a very clear message that they should not be driven at speed - except in extremis - very early in my career. (And on a couple of occasions through the years)

I certainly would not recommend driving them unduly quickly as, if they're pushed too hard they tend to bite quite dramatically.

You mean to say Zulu you would not have pushed it all to the limit to save Maggie!!

 

[bluey]

The armoured vehicles, depending on the type of spec, would quite dramatically change the dynamics of the vehicle. For example the Rover 827 armed response cars used in many Police forces commonly featured reinforcement in the bulkhead, doors and front glazing (the glass was not strictly speaking bullet proof but could withstand small-arms fire), with uprated suspensions and brakes to try and cope with the weight at the front end.  Even then they were understeery monsters that could easily shaft a set of discs and pads in under 10k if they were busy.  Certainly they just couldn't be driven as fast as a standard plodmobile as contrary to myth many weren't modified beyond Rover tweaking the ECU to get a few more horses, the Honda unit was complex enough as it was and the Japanese didn't like their products being modified in anyway without their permission.  Which could take months sometimes.

A few years back I was shown round the specialist glass makers involved in producing ballistics- resistent screens.  The laminate substrate is (or was back then anyway) a restricted product in the UK available only on licence with approval by the MoD.  Very, very clever stuff, although the thickness and therefore weight of the finished laminated glass was frightening, but the firms involved were exceptionally good at hiding the obvious difference.  An example I saw was a screen for a Bentley and you had to looks closely before you saw it was nearly 100mm thick.

[Dishevelled Den]

Thanks SM, that is interesting    

They require top end speed, even with the armour, to get out of any trouble, which I know those drivers are trained to do, and often in reverse with no sparing of the gearbox or engine 8-) 8-)

Armoured saloon vehicles are pigs to drive; I was given a very clear message that they should not be driven at speed - except in extremis - very early in my career. (And on a couple of occasions through the years)

I certainly would not recommend driving them unduly quickly as, if they're pushed too hard they tend to bite quite dramatically.

You mean to say Zulu you would not have pushed it all to the limit to save Maggie!!

 

Even though it will give Banjax apoplexy, I would have opened my veins for that woman.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Thanks SM, that is interesting    

They require top end speed, even with the armour, to get out of any trouble, which I know those drivers are trained to do, and often in reverse with no sparing of the gearbox or engine 8-) 8-)

Armoured saloon vehicles are pigs to drive; I was given a very clear message that they should not be driven at speed - except in extremis - very early in my career. (And on a couple of occasions through the years)

I certainly would not recommend driving them unduly quickly as, if they're pushed too hard they tend to bite quite dramatically.

You mean to say Zulu you would not have pushed it all to the limit to save Maggie!!

 

Even though it will give Banjax apoplexy, I would have opened my veins for that woman.

Have no fear Zulu, BJ loves her really

[Dishevelled Den]

The armoured vehicles, depending on the type of spec, would quite dramatically change the dynamics of the vehicle. For example the Rover 827 armed response cars used in many Police forces commonly featured reinforcement in the bulkhead, doors and front glazing (the glass was not strictly speaking bullet proof but could withstand small-arms fire), with uprated suspensions and brakes to try and cope with the weight at the front end.  Even then they were understeery monsters that could easily shaft a set of discs and pads in under 10k if they were busy.  Certainly they just couldn't be driven as fast as a standard plodmobile as contrary to myth many weren't modified beyond Rover tweaking the ECU to get a few more horses, the Honda unit was complex enough as it was and the Japanese didn't like their products being modified in anyway without their permission.  Which could take months sometimes.

A few years back I was shown round the specialist glass makers involved in producing ballistics- resistent screens.  The laminate substrate is (or was back then anyway) a restricted product in the UK available only on licence with approval by the MoD.  Very, very clever stuff, although the thickness and therefore weight of the finished laminated glass was frightening, but the firms involved were exceptionally good at hiding the obvious difference.  An example I saw was a screen for a Bentley and you had to looks closely before you saw it was nearly 100mm thick.

You're not wrong Blue.

The first general issue vehicles had linear ballistic glass carried in a frame behind the windscreen, behind that was a sheet of clear acrylic designed to prevent the spall from bullet strikes on the ballistic glass entering the cabin posing a threat to the vision of the crew.

Door windows were sealed in the up position again with acrylic sheet between them and the interior of the vehicle, so the only ventilation was from aftermarket air conditioners. (Viking make, if I remember)

If you haven't driven an armoured Landcrab or Mk4 Cortina - you haven't lived.

Furthermore, to see bullet strikes on ballistic glass - from the inside - is quite a sobering experience. [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

The latest armour is light-years ahead of what was, although driving these vehicles is a specialised task and remains a bit of a pain in the arse to tell you the truth.

[scimmy_man]

You mean to say Zulu you would not have pushed it all to the limit to save Maggie!!





but its always the driver who gets it first, he told me, he wanted to get himself out of trouble.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

You mean to say Zulu you would not have pushed it all to the limit to save Maggie!!





but its always the driver who gets it first, he told me, he wanted to get himself out of trouble.

Self preservation?  Yes, I certainly buy that!

[Dishevelled Den]

You mean to say Zulu you would not have pushed it all to the limit to save Maggie!!





but its always the driver who gets it first, he told me, he wanted to get himself out of trouble.

Self preservation?  Yes, I certainly buy that!

Actually Lizzie that's really the best thing to do.

Even with the latest armour, B6 is it?, a determined attack won't be contained for long, so the emphasis in providing armour is to buy sufficient time to get clear of the attack - that's the reason for deploying the defensive driving technique.

[scimmy_man]

otherwise known as run like buggery

[hotel21]

I have quite amusing recollections of George Bush (dad, not son, when he was ex-president) visiting my patch and I was on motorcycle escort duty alongwith a couple of mates.  visit was personal, quite low key, other than the three bikes, the presedential limo (Senator 3 litre 24v) to full armoured spec from the American Consulate.

Side windows were circa one inch thick laminate which was non opening and similar on the sreen and rear as per Zulu's description.

Plan A was to open the new golf course of a friend of Mr president.

Plan B entailed said armoured limo (almost 4 tonnes, perhaps??) being driven over the fairways of said golfcourse with one of my compadres doing a Steve McQueen impersonation on the police Beemer K series, looking for the final wire to get into Switzerland.... 

One of my abiding and perhaps most subtely amusing memories of a past life....   

Closely followed by said GB marching towards me, up Golf Place in St andrews (next to the Old Course) with hand outstretched, wanting to shake my hand, and offerring his personal thanks to me and my colleagues for our work over the previous few days - much to the consternation of his secret service escorts (complete with long raincoats on a warm autumnal day) running about like blue arse flies 'cos the boss digressed from the script!

Yup, most amusing....