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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
« Reply #45 on: 19 August 2007, 20:22:15 »

I tend to agree with James, did you purge/bleed the fuel system???? Once it is running the glow plugs don't do anything :-/
Good luck, and i look forward to the continuing story :y
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« Reply #46 on: 19 August 2007, 20:24:03 »

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rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  >:(.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  >:() ;)


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?
I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  :y

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
« Reply #47 on: 19 August 2007, 20:24:22 »

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I tend to agree with James, did you purge/bleed the fuel system???? Once it is running the glow plugs don't do anything :-/
Good luck, and i look forward to the continuing story :y
Its quite cold, so without glow plugs, you cant get the heat in to get that cylinder running.  The amount of dirty smoke leads me to think it is fuelling ok  :-/
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« Reply #48 on: 19 August 2007, 20:24:25 »

Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one
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« Reply #49 on: 19 August 2007, 20:25:15 »

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Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one
Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines?
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« Reply #50 on: 19 August 2007, 20:27:40 »

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rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  >:(.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  >:() ;)


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?
I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  :y

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s
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« Reply #51 on: 19 August 2007, 20:29:42 »

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rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  >:(.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  >:() ;)


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?
I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  :y

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s
Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.
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Re: Project Tractor engine swap
« Reply #52 on: 19 August 2007, 20:29:52 »

Maybe a silly question but, Are all fuel lines sealed and not leaking otherwise air will get in to the system and give the appearance of running lumpy and missing.. :y
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« Reply #53 on: 19 August 2007, 20:32:28 »

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Maybe a silly question but, Are all fuel lines sealed and not leaking otherwise air will get in to the system and give the appearance of running lumpy and missing.. :y
They seem tight.  Those not familiar with this lump, there is a fuel line from the pump for each injector.  Did wonder about an airlock in on or 2, but it normally clears quickly in my experience.
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« Reply #54 on: 19 August 2007, 20:33:00 »

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Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one
Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines?

No - only seeen new ones
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« Reply #55 on: 19 August 2007, 20:34:23 »

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Hows the fuel pump on the engine, is it worth using the old one
Do you know waht a PITA they are to change on old tractor engines?

No - only seeen new ones
runs of the chains, so all those covers off, cams/cranks locked, retiming afterwards...  :'(
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« Reply #56 on: 19 August 2007, 20:35:52 »

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rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  >:(.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  >:() ;)


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?
I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  :y

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s
Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

Well there easy to check anyway.......pull the plugs off em.....and shove a meter on them to ground.....open circuit there knackered.....i got 3 ohms to ground on my merc for good one  :y
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« Reply #57 on: 19 August 2007, 20:37:10 »

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rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  >:(.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  >:() ;)


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?
I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  :y

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s
Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

Well there easy to check anyway.......pull the plugs off em.....and shove a meter on them to ground.....open circuit there knackered.....i got 3 ohms to ground on my merc for good one  :y
Except, being designed by an imbeccile, all the rather intake has to come off to get to the little beggers.  >:(.

Have I mentioned how much I hate BMW?
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« Reply #58 on: 19 August 2007, 20:41:33 »

you hate bmw?  :o
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rather BMW.  I hate them. I really hate them. Why oh why oh why do you change the size of the pulleys you stupid people  >:(.

Right, swapped the crank pulleys over, got belts on, all the inlet, turbo all connected, airbox on, rad and condensor all in, along with leccy fans, a/c all connected up, fuel pipes in, vac pipes possibly wrong.  Tunnie came round, so I let him do the gearbox loom and attach exhaust to turbo.

Ign on, then a quick Tech2.  Only engine code was an old 96 that I was getting (most likely due to the vac all being rubbish), so cleared that out.  So, ye of little faith, Omegatoy, the connectors must all be 'TheBoy proof' (except the one from the injector back to loom had a different connector - typical rather BMW, changing it for the hell of it  >:() ;)


So, with everything done, it was time to start.

It starts (just), and runs (poorly), so that is a start.  It is most definately a misfire short of a full engine.  It needs throttle to help it start, it will idle (very lumpy) and won't rev beyonds 1500rpm.  It is noisy, and boy does it smoke - they is a huge soot mark on the drive behind it.

I think it is so close, just needs an expert to help me with the final step.

The final step - changing the burnt out valves in the new lump?  [smiley=evil.gif]

In all seriousness, if there's anything I can lend a hand with....

Any new codes since it's been run?

If not, I suspect the fault to be fuel related... managed to bleed it?
I've got a gut feeling about glow plugs...

Im impressed you've got so far with it TB  :y

Tho dont think it will be glowplugs causing the prob.....my old merc diesel used to start on the button in this weather......used to struggle a tad in winter....and that had 3 duff glowplugs....

Plus woulda thought tech2 would tell you about duff glowplugs.......if theres not a warning light on the dash like on old merc....telling you duff glowplug/s
Not sure BMW designers have the necessary intelliigence to be able to design something that warns drivers of such failures.

Well there easy to check anyway.......pull the plugs off em.....and shove a meter on them to ground.....open circuit there knackered.....i got 3 ohms to ground on my merc for good one  :y
Except, being designed by an imbeccile, all the rather intake has to come off to get to the little beggers.  >:(.

Have I mentioned how much I hate BMW?

Oh dear  :( On my old merc take the engine cover off and there are the little darlings  8-)

Think you right......dont buy a tractor BMW  >:(
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