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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #15 on: 12 January 2008, 23:16:35 »

Original booklet says dont do it for autos..

For manuals I use this technique before for some special purpose but for auto I dont think this is normal..


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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #16 on: 13 January 2008, 00:08:07 »

left foot braking is fun. There are quite a few fast but twisty roads road our way and as long as you know the roads you can keep the power on and dab the brakes going into the bends. Only done this in the Cavalier though
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #17 on: 13 January 2008, 01:04:25 »

This is not a topic to create a black and white issue of. The vast majority of people should not use left foot breaking. It creates confusion, and in cases of the unexpected can cause reflex reactions to affect the wrong peddles. It is an advanced technique, but being competant with LFB does not make you a better driver on the roads necessarily because on the roads the only true factor to rate yourself against is the safety of others, which can be equally achieved by slow careful driving. However for those that are more technically able, LFB allows a lot more control of the car and makes driving at a higher speed in the same conditions just as safe. not so important is the autobox as the driven wheels. LFB only really works if you can keep your right foot on the power. it allows you to drag the breaks, which affect the front more than the rear, while keeping the power down the rear, this resistance on the front vs acceleration on the rear moves the weight over the front wheels aiding in traction to the front. This is very useful to move the weight balance of the car depending upon the corner approaching. Certain very tight corners can have a large car like an omega understeering, not normal as RWD cars tend to over steer at the limits, a little bit of LFB allows weight to transfer over the fronts maintaining traction and therefore control. You can however over apply LFB, hence practice on an open/empty road being important before ever applying in general. This effect i also use deliberatly in certain circumstances. Over applying LFB moves a lot of weight over the front wheels, in circumstances where you have wanted to 'drift' the rear end, (granted usually just for fun, never to enhance control or safety)  it makes the rear very light, allowing a drift to commence at a much lower speed. This has two effects, makes drifting as a learner a lot easier, and secondly means that should you make a mistake and drifting becomes a nasty spin, simply let go of the break, the weight balance moves back over the rear, the tyres grip almost instantly because you were not going fast enough to drift at that speed anyway and control is restored, within sizable margins.

Personally i love it mainly for the 'safe fun' described above, only used on visably empty roads, with no-one else in the car. i've never made a mistake that wasnt rectified by removing the LFB however i've never been tempted to try it around traffic.

I have also made use of the general skill when driving a FWD car, they understeer a lot, and a bit of weight over the front has recoverd control on a slippy island or two and also in the snow and ice.

I didn't just guess at this either, i have an instructional DVD from one of norways best rally drivers who teaches the principles on a snow and ice covered special stage.

It does allow me to misbehave more than i may have otherwise done, but also, everyone can get caught out by horrible conditions once in a while, this technique, if well practiced, can recover you even when the usual "steer into the skid" fails to work.
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #18 on: 13 January 2008, 01:06:25 »

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left foot braking is fun. There are quite a few fast but twisty roads road our way and as long as you know the roads you can keep the power on and dab the brakes going into the bends. Only done this in the Cavalier though

Actually i first tried this in a cavalier, Koni'd up on 17's 40 profile, i loved that car, drifting a FWD car i must have been mad.
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #19 on: 13 January 2008, 08:37:24 »

As soon as i bought the omega auto, i had my left leg removed and freeze dried for posterity. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #20 on: 13 January 2008, 08:59:40 »

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Left foot braking is primarily a performance driving technique, and if anything, is detrimental to safe, everyday driving.

Over many years i have driven autos & i have always used my left foot to brake, infact there was a sitiuation some years back when a young boy came from behind a stationary bus on his BMX & to this day i believe it was because i always covered the brake when driving around town that i stopped in time, if i hadn't & used my right foot, i'm sure with the extra time it took to swap pedals i would have surely had him. I'll never forget the look on his face as this dirty great SD1 screeched to a halt just inches from him (i bet he never forgot too)
I've never had any problems left foot braking :y
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #21 on: 13 January 2008, 21:08:57 »

I don't do it as a matter of course, but the trail braking effect described by The Doctor can be used for a bit of fun. I can brake properly using my left (it's something you need to practice a little if you've never done it, cos you won't have the level of feel and control required) but in normal driving in RWD cars I just heel-toe.

I must say I'm surprised if the DBW engines in the Omega have this "feature" where it won't allow you to apply power while the brakes are applied. I've heard of this in VAG cars, and it would drive me insane to not be able to blip the throttle on downshifts, it's much smoother than just dragging the clutch to pull the revs up. If this is true then I'm definitely not buying a 3.2 Omega in future, something I have considered.
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #22 on: 13 January 2008, 21:12:02 »

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I don't do it as a matter of course, but the trail braking effect described by The Doctor can be used for a bit of fun. I can brake properly using my left (it's something you need to practice a little if you've never done it, cos you won't have the level of feel and control required) but in normal driving in RWD cars I just heel-toe.

I must say I'm surprised if the DBW engines in the Omega have this "feature" where it won't allow you to apply power while the brakes are applied. I've heard of this in VAG cars, and it would drive me insane to not be able to blip the throttle on downshifts, it's much smoother than just dragging the clutch to pull the revs up. If this is true then I'm definitely not buying a 3.2 Omega in future, something I have considered.
Many modern DBW units do this...
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #23 on: 13 January 2008, 21:34:37 »

Don't think my 3.2 does this (guess I'd better try it!) even so, I'd be very surprised if it was the case on a manual too.

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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #24 on: 14 January 2008, 19:07:24 »

i always left foot brake when driving an auto(primarily because my right leg is knackered) but i always make sure my right foot is completely off the throttle before my left foot is on the brake because i was told by someone a long time ago that to do otherwise would damage the transmission.
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #25 on: 14 January 2008, 21:50:51 »

www.driving-school.co.au/faq.htm

Why can’t I use the left foot for braking in an automatic car?

Here are four reasons why instructors teach to only use one foot in an automatic.

Under heavy braking the left foot must push against the floor to brace your body. You will have total control of brake, accelerator and steering during an emergency.

It is less confusing to switch from an automatic to a manual vehicle.

The left foot, resting on the the brake pedal, may inadvertently push down the brake pedal and light up the brake lights whilst accelerating.

There is less chance of a mixup between accelerator and brake. After a lifetime of using two feet, older drivers may get confused, pressing the wrong pedal. The ones that had used the right foot only all their lives are less likely to have trouble later on.
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I've tried it and it just doesn't feel safe...to me, but I drive both Manual & Auto's.
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #26 on: 14 January 2008, 21:59:28 »

www.driving-school.co.au/faq.htm

Why can’t I use the left foot for braking in an automatic car?

Here are four reasons why instructors teach to only use one foot in an automatic.

Under heavy braking the left foot must push against the floor to brace your body. You will have total control of brake, accelerator and steering during an emergency.

It is less confusing to switch from an automatic to a manual vehicle.

The left foot, resting on the the brake pedal, may inadvertently push down the brake pedal and light up the brake lights whilst accelerating.

There is less chance of a mixup between accelerator and brake. After a lifetime of using two feet, older drivers may get confused, pressing the wrong pedal. The ones that had used the right foot only all their lives are less likely to have trouble later on.
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I've tried it and it just doesn't feel safe...to me, but I drive both manual & auto.
As I've said before, if it works for you, that's all that matters.   :y
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #27 on: 14 January 2008, 22:03:58 »

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The double posting of my last entry is a result of using my mobile as a modem...and getting a call half way thru posting.  Doh !!  :-[
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #28 on: 14 January 2008, 23:38:55 »

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The double posting of my last entry is a result of using my mobile as a modem...and getting a call half way thru posting.  Doh !!  :-[

Delete one then ...... and we'd have never known.  ;)  :y  :y
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Re: Left foot braking
« Reply #29 on: 14 January 2008, 23:41:24 »

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Many modern DBW units do this...

I tried it today with my low blow TD Astra 1.7 ....... it baulks down if you brake hard enough to put the lights on - not straight away but after a couple of seconds.
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