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[JamesV6CDX]

It was two years ago, and you didn't specifically instruct the garage to replace the water pump which is a fundemental part of the cambelt setup.

I'm afraid, I don't think there is any recourse on the garage after this time.

If they had fitted it incorrectly, it would have failed a lot sooner than 2 years / 14k miles.

It was either a component failure on an ancilliary, such as the pump or a tensioner/idlers.

Either way, I don't think the responsibility lies with whoever fitted it, I don't blame them for washing their hands after that amount of miles.

[JamesV6CDX]

Ps - no offence intended - just an opinion

[rickyboy]

When buying a second hand engine (from whoever) I doubt you'll find any which have a guarantee that the cambelt has been done recently.  Not in my experience anyway.  As said by ians it would cost them close to a hundred quid to fit a new cambelt kit.  

I would get the engine and it's up to you whether you change it yourself or not.  The cambelt change on a 2 litre is very easy.  The price doesn't look unreasonable for an engine with so little miles.  Your other option is to search the scrappys yourself and you will find one cheaper but the likelyhood is they'll have more miles on them.

[Proz]

well they are charging you £275.  A belt/tensioner kit and water pump would have cost them around £100 plus fitting.  So are you sure they would have spent that without having had to?

I did ask the woman on the phone about the belt when i paid for it this morning .... she said that the belt would have been done ..... mmmm now im not so sure ... guess i'll maybe give them a call back

sadly it really doesn't matter whether they have changed the belt or not, what there warranty clearly states is that if you can't prove YOU changed the belt before running the engine, if it snaps within six months their warranty will not be honoured.
rather sneaky really.

Personally I would walk away fro this one, you have rights under the sale of goods (mail order customer not present) to a cooling off period in which to change your mind.

If however you can get an assurance in Writing from them that the belt has been done then they would have to honour their warranty within the six months.




J

Well i would like thank you for that link ... the woman on the phone to begin with said it would all be done and wouldnt need changing ... then when i pointed out there warranty she quickly changed her tune and said it would ... needless to say i cancelled the order ... i need the car running but i dont think its worth just throwing money at it like that ..... i was prepared to pay for the engine and fitting but to change all those things aswell just put the bill too high .... my garage is going to see his contacts to see if he can source one for me ... Thanks  

[jules]

Right, just noticed where you live.

Contact Mike Stewart performance engineering in Errol, Perth.

Get him to quote for a repair or replacement. He may know where to get a good cheap engine. His work is top class, he did my replacement engine in the Hundy when the big ends went and it's been running sweet as a nut for 4 years !!

Muirhouses, The Grange,
Errol,
Perth,
Perthshire
PH2 7TB


Tel: 01821 642576

[Proz]

It was two years ago, and you didn't specifically instruct the garage to replace the water pump which is a fundemental part of the cambelt setup.

I'm afraid, I don't think there is any recourse on the garage after this time.

If they had fitted it incorrectly, it would have failed a lot sooner than 2 years / 14k miles.

Im not a mechanic so i didnt know the water pump needed done aswell ... it went in for a cylinder head gasket , it was the garage who advised the belt aswell while they were in there ...maybe they should have advised me about the pump .... just a point of interest ... they left the car here with the belt covers off ... all the pullys / tensioners and water pump rotate freely with no noise or roughness ... i dont know if that makes any difference to what actually made the belt break

Mark

It was either a component failure on an ancilliary, such as the pump or a tensioner/idlers.

Either way, I don't think the responsibility lies with whoever fitted it, I don't blame them for washing their hands after that amount of miles.

[Proz]

Ps - no offence intended - just an opinion

No offence taken .... would you be happy if yours broke after only 14,000 miles or under 2 years   .... service life is supposed to be 4 years or 40,000    :-/

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ps - no offence intended - just an opinion

No offence taken .... would you be happy if yours broke after only 14,000 miles or under 2 years   .... service life is supposed to be 4 years or 40,000    :-/

It shouldn't fail that soon.

What we will never know is if it was ever fitted and tensioned correctly or what make of kit it was.

[jules]

Ps - no offence intended - just an opinion

No offence taken .... would you be happy if yours broke after only 14,000 miles or under 2 years   .... service life is supposed to be 4 years or 40,000    :-/

It shouldn't fail that soon.

What we will never know is if it was ever fitted and tensioned correctly or what make of kit it was.

He could get photos of the kit and belt and we could guess ?

[Proz]

Im not a mechanic so i didnt know the water pump needed done aswell ... it went in for a cylinder head gasket , it was the garage who advised the belt aswell while they were in there ...maybe they should have advised me about the pump .... just a point of interest ... they left the car here with the belt covers off ... all the pullys / tensioners and water pump rotate freely with no noise or roughness ... i dont know if that makes any difference to what actually made the belt break

Mark

[Proz]

Ps - no offence intended - just an opinion

No offence taken .... would you be happy if yours broke after only 14,000 miles or under 2 years   .... service life is supposed to be 4 years or 40,000    :-/

It shouldn't fail that soon.

What we will never know is if it was ever fitted and tensioned correctly or what make of kit it was.

He could get photos of the kit and belt and we could guess ?

I could get some pics if you guys want just for curiosity ... the belt and covers were left lying in the rear footwell :-/... its not a clean break ..its all split from the untoothed side ...i dont know the fancy words lol but it looks as if its started to seperate the layers from the smooth side

[rickyboy]

Ps - no offence intended - just an opinion

No offence taken .... would you be happy if yours broke after only 14,000 miles or under 2 years   .... service life is supposed to be 4 years or 40,000    :-/

No-one is doubting how annoyed you would be having it snap at 14,000 miles, I would be livid! The point is though there was clearly a fault of some kind and there would never have been any way of knowing unless there was some noise coming from that area beforehand or you checked the condition of it every few thousand miles which would be ridiculous.  It certainly should last a lot longer than that but in life there are no real guarantees of anything unfortunately!  C'est la vie.  

[jules]

Very true, just recently we bought a Scenic from an independent dealer.

Very tidy clean and pristeen car, 85K on a Y plate.

I asked the dealer would he change the timing belt included in the price, he said no need there is a reciept in the pack for a change at 80K which was true.

Bought car, got ten miles towards home, belt broke !!!  

AA took car back to dealer and left keys through letterbox, when I phoned in the morning the car was in the workshop being repaired - NO CHARGE !!!

 

Why did belt break ? Cowboy garage had changed belt but NOT tensioner  

[Proz]

Very true, just recently we bought a Scenic from an independent dealer.

Very tidy clean and pristeen car, 85K on a Y plate.

I asked the dealer would he change the timing belt included in the price, he said no need there is a reciept in the pack for a change at 80K which was true.

Bought car, got ten miles towards home, belt broke !!!  

AA took car back to dealer and left keys through letterbox, when I phoned in the morning the car was in the workshop being repaired - NO CHARGE !!!

 

Why did belt break ? Cowboy garage had changed belt but NOT tensioner  

Oh dear ...thats awfull .... but at least they repaired it though  

[ians]

Ps - no offence intended - just an opinion

No offence taken .... would you be happy if yours broke after only 14,000 miles or under 2 years   .... service life is supposed to be 4 years or 40,000    :-/

No-one is doubting how annoyed you would be having it snap at 14,000 miles, I would be livid! The point is though there was clearly a fault of some kind and there would never have been any way of knowing unless there was some noise coming from that area beforehand or you checked the condition of it every few thousand miles which would be ridiculous.  It certainly should last a lot longer than that but in life there are no real guarantees of anything unfortunately!  C'est la vie.  

I think we would all sympathise , no question, but that doesn't mean that the garage is culpable.

However I do agree with you that you shouldn't have to know that the water pump needs changing too (as I said, even Mr Haynes doesn't know that).