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Re: no heater
« Reply #15 on: 10 February 2010, 18:26:14 »

Hi Guys any more suggestions had matrix /also radiator flushed loads of crap oily stuff came out thermorstat working purfectly 3 way valve blead heater worked for 10 minutes and now does not work again all controls purfect another 100.00 in the bin ,any suggestions.

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Re: no heater
« Reply #16 on: 10 February 2010, 21:14:00 »

Hiya Russ, have you checked that the vacuum pipe is properly attached to the top of the HBV (Heater Byepass Valve)? You call it the 3 way valve. Also to properly bleed air from the cooling system you should remove the coolant bottle cap when the engine is cold & run the engine until it heats up, periodically squeezing the top & bottom radiator pipes to 'burp' any air out of the system. When the water is hot you replace the bottle cap. You may need to do this on more than one occassion.
Also, just a thought.... are the air vents cold on either side of the car & in the back, regardless of what settings are on the heating? Let us know how you get on with it. I can't help in person at the moment, my head gasket has gone & the car is in a million bits on the drive LOL :y
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Re: no heater
« Reply #17 on: 11 February 2010, 19:53:16 »


Thanks for that shall gove it a go but now feeling totaly p----- off there is some heat in the cabin though but not really hot.

Russ.
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Re: no heater
« Reply #18 on: 11 February 2010, 20:02:07 »

Im sure this isnt the case but thought Id say it any way ::) I spent over £500 on trying to sort my heater out on the petrol estate. But it still never worked 95% of the time. It also felt a bit funny to drive  :-? Thats when I joined oof and after hours of reading I came across a post on fuses. When I checked power steering and heater were on the same one, so changed the fuse and the heater has worked 100% since then. Shame the rest of the car isnt the same :D :D :D worth a try  :y
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Re: no heater
« Reply #19 on: 12 February 2010, 11:58:28 »

Thanks for that shall give it a a try.

Russ.
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Re: no heater
« Reply #20 on: 17 February 2010, 20:17:32 »

Hi All do you think it could be my water pump.

Russ.
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Re: no heater
« Reply #21 on: 19 February 2010, 12:36:25 »

Hi russy, Like you i have just bought a 2001 2.2cd auto with simmilar problem! it turned out it was the water pump impeler broken caused of some numpty bypassing heater matrix because of leek & not replacing antifreeze! Had it replaced along with timing belt £135 all in, it runs great now but cabin fills with steam when it reaches temp :'(so now need to replace matrix! Easy way to check pump is if top of engine gets hot & bottom stays cold :y
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Re: no heater
« Reply #22 on: 02 March 2010, 13:04:14 »

hi was the 135.00 cost from garage main dealership or back street boy .

Russ.
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Re: no heater
« Reply #23 on: 02 March 2010, 19:44:22 »

Hi not a main dealer,but no back street boy either! In any case just for your help in not being ripped off water pump cost £35+vat belt £30+vat the rest was labour charges.
Did you check if top hose hot & bottom cold? if it is! its gotta be worth trying :y
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Re: no heater
« Reply #24 on: 14 March 2010, 16:17:49 »

Hi Guys.

Any further help outthere ref no heater /jobs done to sort new cylinder head /new thermostat and housing /new 3 way valve or whatever you guys want to call it /radiator flushed /matrix flushed loads uf crap came out top hose hot bottom hose hot radiator hot /inlet and outlet to matrix all hot but no heater although i have now a small amount of hot air /all controls working fan etc etc vehicle not overheating temparuture around 85/90  aa just recommend contact garage garage just keep giving meearly xmas presents called bills refused to pay last two.

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Re: no heater
« Reply #25 on: 14 March 2010, 21:28:13 »

Hiya Russ, does the heater give out more heat when you increase the engine speed to about 1500 RPM? :-?
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Re: no heater
« Reply #26 on: 15 March 2010, 14:09:45 »

Hi no not to my knomledge no more heat at over 1500 revs
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Re: no heater
« Reply #27 on: 15 March 2010, 15:25:53 »

I can only guess that given the symptoms Russ, you have a blocked heater matrix. I know you are getting water through it, so you will think i'm talking 'dangle berries', but the fact is the heat exchange pipes leading off the main waterway are so small they become choked with debris/limescale even though the main waterway allows a good flow through. Rather than go through the removal/fitting of the matrix, you may like to try a descaling solution first?
I have just done mine using 'Fernox' central heating descaler. You will only need a small tub. It is orange & looks just like sherbet!
1 - Remove the expansion tank cap & drain the coolant into a dish using the radiator drain tap (right hand side under front bumper, with a round, red handle) 
2 - Close the radiator drain tap.
3 - Mix up the descaling solution in an old bucket or similar (use nothing you may use for cooking in or drinking from!!) using no more than 1 rounded tablespoon of descaler per litre of hot water. Any stronger solution may cause problems with thin wall aluminium.
4 - Pour the solution (approx. 5 to 6 litres) into the expansion tank slowly, until it stops filling and you still have a half empty tank ( you need this space to allow for the gas generated by the descaler) preferably using a funnel or lipped jug as you don't want it on your paintwork!
5 - Leave the expansion tank cap off and run the engine at idle speed until it reaches normal operating temperature with the cabin heating turned on to full heat. While it is warming up, squeeze the radiator & matrix hoses periodically to assist the removal of  any air.
6- When the engine is at normal temperature, replace the tank cap and place an old towel or thick cloth over the tank to catch excess gas/descaler mist as it pressurises the system.
7- Now the important bit - you need to leave the engine idling for 30 minutes to 1 hour, and every 10 minutes or so, you must slacken off the expansion tank cap  a little to release the excess pressure. BE CAREFUL, the liquid is scalding hot acid (albeit diluted) so make sure the towel/cloth fully covers the cap AND YOUR HAND!
8- After 30mins - 1hour you will see the liquid has got a lot darker and you can now turn off the engine & either wait until the engine cools before opening the radiator drain tap and emptying the descaler, or draining it hot WITH YOUR HAND & ARM SUITABLY PROTECTED!
9- You now need to put a hosepipe in the expansion tank and flush the system thoroughly with clean water several times. Fill the system with fresh water one last time and begin draining again, whilst at the same time filling up with the hose so you have a steady stream of fresh water in at the tank and out at the radiator drain. Now start the car and allow the water pump to circulate the water throughout the engine while it is draining. Keep this up for about 15 minutes, turn off the engine and water hose, allow the system to drain, close the radiator drain tap, refill the system with HALF the coolant you saved and top up with new neat coolant to maintain the 50/50 mix.
10 - Repeat the hose squeezing to help get rid of any air and run the car with the heating on full until it reaches temperature.
Hopefully, you should now have heat! If not....... :(

HTH, Regards, Phil. :y
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Re: no heater
« Reply #28 on: 15 March 2010, 15:34:41 »

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I can only guess that given the symptoms Russ, you have a blocked heater matrix. I know you are getting water through it, so you will think i'm talking 'dangle berries', but the fact is the heat exchange pipes leading off the main waterway are so small they become choked with debris/limescale even though the main waterway allows a good flow through. Rather than go through the removal/fitting of the matrix, you may like to try a descaling solution first?
I have just done mine using 'Fernox' central heating descaler. You will only need a small tub. It is orange & looks just like sherbet!
1 - Remove the expansion tank cap & drain the coolant into a dish using the radiator drain tap (right hand side under front bumper, with a round, red handle) 
2 - Close the radiator drain tap.
3 - Mix up the descaling solution in an old bucket or similar (use nothing you may use for cooking in or drinking from!!) using no more than 1 rounded tablespoon of descaler per litre of hot water. Any stronger solution may cause problems with thin wall aluminium.
4 - Pour the solution (approx. 5 to 6 litres) into the expansion tank slowly, until it stops filling and you still have a half empty tank ( you need this space to allow for the gas generated by the descaler) preferably using a funnel or lipped jug as you don't want it on your paintwork!
5 - Leave the expansion tank cap off and run the engine at idle speed until it reaches normal operating temperature with the cabin heating turned on to full heat. While it is warming up, squeeze the radiator & matrix hoses periodically to assist the removal of  any air.
6- When the engine is at normal temperature, replace the tank cap and place an old towel or thick cloth over the tank to catch excess gas/descaler mist as it pressurises the system.
7- Now the important bit - you need to leave the engine idling for 30 minutes to 1 hour, and every 10 minutes or so, you must slacken off the expansion tank cap  a little to release the excess pressure. BE CAREFUL, the liquid is scalding hot acid (albeit diluted) so make sure the towel/cloth fully covers the cap AND YOUR HAND!
8- After 30mins - 1hour you will see the liquid has got a lot darker and you can now turn off the engine & either wait until the engine cools before opening the radiator drain tap and emptying the descaler, or draining it hot WITH YOUR HAND & ARM SUITABLY PROTECTED!
9- You now need to put a hosepipe in the expansion tank and flush the system thoroughly with clean water several times. Fill the system with fresh water one last time and begin draining again, whilst at the same time filling up with the hose so you have a steady stream of fresh water in at the tank and out at the radiator drain. Now start the car and allow the water pump to circulate the water throughout the engine while it is draining. Keep this up for about 15 minutes, turn off the engine and water hose, allow the system to drain, close the radiator drain tap, refill the system with HALF the coolant you saved and top up with new neat coolant to maintain the 50/50 mix.
10 - Repeat the hose squeezing to help get rid of any air and run the car with the heating on full until it reaches temperature.
Hopefully, you should now have heat! If not....... :(

HTH, Regards, Phil. :y

I would modify this procedure very slightly .... once you've flushed the system with cold water several times/or continuous as said, close the darin tap, fill with clean water and run the car up to temperature with the heater on full leave for 5 minutes. alow to cool, drain, repeat a couple of times.

The reason for this it to ensure the fernox is fully removed from the heater matrix as well as the rest of the system. Phil's way leaves the matrix "unflushed" IMHO ..

Just my thoughts .. nowt else .. :)
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Re: no heater
« Reply #29 on: 15 March 2010, 15:42:44 »

But the system is constantly filling/draining with fresh water for 15minutes with engine running & heater on full Entwood. I found this more than enough to clear out any remaining descaler! I have just (yesterday) done exactly as described and believe me, I would not take any chances with my car and I was a gas service/heating engineer for most of my working life so descaling is 'in the blood' so to speak :y
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