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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #15 on: 28 August 2011, 23:51:25 »

As said, you're going to have this problem when the ECU is trying to correct the fuelling too far based on what it sees from the Lambda sensor.

3 basic reasons why this might happen:

The ECU is calculating the required fuelling based on duff information.

The fuel calculated by the ECU is fine, but that's not what the engine is actually getting.

The Lambda sensor is giving you an incorrect reading of the actual mixture, forcing the ECU to compensate unnecessarily.


In the first case, the major inputs are engine speed, coolant temperature and air mass entering the engine. Engine speed is from the crank sensor and if it wasn't working you'd have bigger problems. Coolant temperature and air mass are possibilities, so it's always prudent to check these look plausible in the live data. An unmetered leak of air into the intake will also cause a false air mass reading so check the breather pipes and intake ducting for leaks.

The second case.. Low fuel pressure due to failing fuel pump, clogged fuel filter, fuel pressure regulator, perhaps injectors. These aren't common problems. Poorly mapped or just poorly LPG systems are.

In the third case, a blowing exhaust, particularly upstream of the lambda sensor, will cause it to read incorrectly, as will a misfire, although with other more obvious symptoms. A failing lambda sensor can also throw out the fuelling, although the ECU will normally flag it as bad before it does, or at least there'll be codes relating to slow response.

A cat problem won't cause fuel trim problems, or at least not unless it's so clogged that it is affecting the fuel mixture.
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #16 on: 29 August 2011, 00:31:49 »

I had the P0170 a couple of times just before my crank sensor packed up.
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #17 on: 29 August 2011, 00:32:55 »

...forgot to add that after changing it P0170 did not recur...you may remember this Kevin from 18 months ago
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #18 on: 29 August 2011, 22:39:44 »

Call me Victor Meldrew but "I don't belive it!"

I am 200miles from Leeds in the beautiful Galloway forest and the Omega has been peefect until...yesterday whilst idling at the camp site, the EML came on. Still ran fine after no probs at all, but then today at the most southern point in Scotland where only sea can be seen from most angles, the car would not start.
Long story slightly shorter, AA sub contractor came out, very nice chap, put the diagnostic reader on the car and showed this code. Eventually got it started and has been fine ever since.
Bit concerned as had a thread only last week about the car stalling on idle, and worried it might be the crank sensor. I have a 200mile journey tomorrow, anything I can do to get back?

Cheers
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #19 on: 29 August 2011, 23:15:24 »

crank sensor is favourite culprit
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #20 on: 30 August 2011, 21:25:54 »

if i turn the heating system/vent control to "off" i get no mil light for days,as soon as you switch it on and the blower activates the mil light comes on P0170! driving me around the bend,i cannot find any air leaks,i bet no ones every heard of it! :D
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #21 on: 30 August 2011, 21:29:43 »

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if i turn the heating system/vent control to "off" i get no mil light for days,as soon as you switch it on and the blower activates the mil light comes on P0170! driving me around the bend,i cannot find any air leaks,i bet no ones every heard of it! :D

There are 2 vaccuum solenoids up behind the glove box, aone controls a vac feed to the HBV. one does the "recirc" function. I wonder if you have a vac pipe either off or damaged in theses areas ?? and the vac leak is only apparent when these funtions are "active" ... ie "downstream" of the vac solenoids ??

Clutching at straws I know .......  :(
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #22 on: 30 August 2011, 21:38:37 »

thanks i will check,i was unaware of these vac pipes,do all the air divert flaps operate off the vac system aswell? you can hear things wiring away when you switch off the ignition
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #23 on: 30 August 2011, 21:47:00 »

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thanks i will check,i was unaware of these vac pipes,do all the air divert flaps operate off the vac system aswell? you can hear things wiring away when you switch off the ignition

AFAIK the vac only operates the HBV and the Recirc flap, all the other air valves are electric motors.
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Re: fault code P0170
« Reply #24 on: 30 August 2011, 21:52:10 »

thanks very much,good info!  :y
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