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[Nickbat]

85 rebel Tory M.P's, those who do what their constituents want, the rest of the house are self serving bottom wipes

One in eye for Cameron, weak as Major I hear them say.

VOTE UKIP.

If it really is 85 that would be a sensational rebellion in the history of the Tory Party. Can't argue with your summary, Cleggy.! 

[Stan_2]

I've had enough of the lies they keep telling us.  Here comes another voter for UKIP.

[Nickbat]

I've had enough of the lies they keep telling us.  Here comes another voter for UKIP.

Good man! 

[Andy B]

85 rebel Tory M.P's, those who do what their constituents want, the rest of the house are self serving bottom wipes

One in eye for Cameron, weak as Major I hear them say.

VOTE UKIP.

If it really is 85 that would be a sensational rebellion in the history of the Tory Party. Can't argue with your summary, Cleggy.! 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15425256

'111 for the motion 483 against ' 

[albitz]

Some of those 111 will be Labour MP,s plus the Ulster unionists who have always been anti EU.

[Nickbat]

Some of those 111 will be Labour MP,s plus the Ulster unionists who have always been anti EU.

True, but 85 Tories (if so) is an impressive rebellion. From where I am standing Cameron is toast. Maybe not right now, but he will not lead the Conservatives into the next election. 

[albitz]

I wonder what the figure would have been had all three party leaders not put up a three line whip, whose tactics included promising people that their careers would be destroyed if they didnt do as they were told ?

[albitz]

I hope your right Nick,and that David Davis is rallying his troops on readiness.

[aaronjb]

Up to 81 Tory MPs were believed to have defied a three-line whip, the strongest party instruction on how to vote. Thanks to Labour and Lib Dem MPs, the vote was defeated by 483 to 111, with around 50 abstentions.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053011/Bloody-nose-Cameron-Massive-rebellion-Europe--insists-Britain-wait-YEARS-claw-powers-Brussels.html#ixzz1bjwZ6U7b

Not that I believe it would be any different if there hadn't been a "three-line whip" (who knew MPs were into bondage?). Nor do I believe it would be any different with UKIP in power... I'm sure they'd rapidly find a reason not to exit the EU (their pockets being lined with gold, for example) once they were in power. Perhaps I'm just overly cynical, but I don't think it matters which way you vote; politicians look out for politicians, and the regular joe schmoe gets the shitty end of the stick.

[Richie London]

true democracy  when your told how you have to vote.  can't wait for the local elections so i can tell them what i think at the polling stations.

[albitz]

Up to 81 Tory MPs were believed to have defied a three-line whip, the strongest party instruction on how to vote. Thanks to Labour and Lib Dem MPs, the vote was defeated by 483 to 111, with around 50 abstentions.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053011/Bloody-nose-Cameron-Massive-rebellion-Europe--insists-Britain-wait-YEARS-claw-powers-Brussels.html#ixzz1bjwZ6U7b

Not that I believe it would be any different if there hadn't been a "three-line whip" (who knew MPs were into bondage?). Nor do I believe it would be any different with UKIP in power... I'm sure they'd rapidly find a reason not to exit the EU (their pockets being lined with gold, for example) once they were in power. Perhaps I'm just overly cynical, but I don't think it matters which way you vote; politicians look out for politicians, and the regular joe schmoe gets the shitty end of the stick.

Your wrong on one point Aaron. Quite a lot of MP,s (no telling exactly how many) wanted to vote differently,but were bullied and put under extreme pressure to vote  on Camerons line.
These three line whips are serious stuff. The whips keep their ears to the ground and have spies who report to them.They keep notes on MP,s so they can use them if need be.Its common practice to threaten to reveal extra marital affairs, out married gays, threaten to have MP,s deselected,assure them that they will never have any kind of promotion,and have even been rumoured to resort to threats of physical violence when all else fails.

[Kevin Wood]

Your wrong on one point Aaron. Quite a lot of MP,s (no telling exactly how many) wanted to vote differently,but were bullied and put under extreme pressure to vote  on Camerons line.
These three line whips are serious stuff. The whips keep their ears to the ground and have spies who report to them.They keep notes on MP,s so they can use them if need be.Its common practice to threaten to reveal extra marital affairs, out married gays, threaten to have MP,s deselected,assure them that they will never have any kind of promotion,and have even been rumoured to resort to threats of physical violence when all else fails.

In other words, we need a referendum on whether we pull out of our own political system before we worry about the one in Brussels. 

[albitz]

I would rather do it the other way round Kevin.

[Rods2]

Anybody seen a list of the MPs that voted against. If my MP didn't then I won't even tactically vote Tory instead of UKIP in the future, as it shows that the Tory EU skeptical marketing, is just a pack of lies. 

David Cameron's suggesting  he would hold a vote of Lisbon treaty and then using weasel excuses to abandon this, just shows him up, for what he is, an unprincipled chancer out to get our votes by any deceitful means IMHO. If he had any principles, after his previous promises on an EU referendum he would have allowed a free vote on this motion. 

[cleggy]

Here you go Rod


Full list of MPs who voted against the EU referendumA total of 81 Tory MPs rebelled against the government. In all, 79 Tory MPs voted in favour of an EU referendum while a further two were tellers for the rebels

 

 reddit this Patrick Wintour The Guardian, Tuesday 25 October 2011 Article history A total of 81 Conservative MPs rebelled against the government. In all, 79 Tory MPs voted in favour of an EU referendum while a further two were tellers for the rebels

• Tory rebels Stuart Andrew (Pudsey), Steven Baker (Wycombe), John Baron (Basildon & Billericay), Andrew Bingham (High Peak), Brian Binley (Northampton South), Bob Blackman (Harrow East), Graham Brady (Altrincham & Sale West), Andrew Bridgen (Leicestershire North West), Steve Brine (Winchester), Fiona Bruce (Congleton), Dan Byles (Warwickshire North), Douglas Carswell (Clacton), Bill Cash (Stone), Christopher Chope (Christchurch), James Clappison (Hertsmere), Tracey Crouch (Chatham & Aylesford), David Davies (Monmouth), Philip Davies (Shipley), David Davis (Haltemprice & Howden), Nick de Bois (Enfield North), Caroline Dinenage (Gosport), Nadine Dorries (Bedfordshire Mid), Richard Drax (Dorset South), Mark Field (Cities of London & Westminster), Lorraine Fullbrook (South Ribble), Zac Goldsmith (Richmond Park), James Gray (Wiltshire North), Chris Heaton-Harris (Daventry), Gordon Henderson (Sittingbourne & Sheppey), George Hollingbery (Meon Valley), Adam Holloway (Gravesham), Stewart Jackson (Peterborough), Bernard Jenkin (Harwich & Essex North), Marcus Jones (Nuneaton), Chris Kelly (Dudley South), Andrea Leadsom (Northamptonshire South), Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford), Edward Leigh (Gainsborough), Julian Lewis (New Forest East), Karen Lumley (Redditch), Jason McCartney (Colne Valley), Karl McCartney (Lincoln), Stephen McPartland (Stevenage), Anne Main (St Albans), Patrick Mercer (Newark), Nigel Mills (Amber Valley), Anne-Marie Morris (Newton Abbot), James Morris (Halesowen & Rowley Regis), Stephen Mosley (Chester, City of), Sheryll Murray (Cornwall South East), Caroline Nokes (Romsey & Southampton North), David Nuttall (Bury North), Matthew Offord (Hendon), Neil Parish (Tiverton & Honiton), Priti Patel (Witham), Andrew Percy (Brigg & Goole), Mark Pritchard (Wrekin, The), Mark Reckless (Rochester & Strood), John Redwood (Reading), Jacob Rees-Mogg (Somerset North East), Simon Reevell (Dewsbury), Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury), Andrew Rosindell (Romford), Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills), Henry Smith (Crawley), John Stevenson (Carlisle), Bob Stewart (Beckenham), Gary Streeter (Devon South West), Julian Sturdy (York Outer), Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth & Horncastle), Justin Tomlinson (Swindon North), Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight), Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes), Charles Walker (Broxbourne), Robin Walker (Worcester), Heather Wheeler (Derbyshire South), Craig Whittaker (Calder Valley), John Whittingdale (Maldon), Dr Sarah Wollaston (Totnes)

Two Tory MPs acted as tellers for the rebels. They were Peter Bone (Wellingborough) and Philip Hollobone (Kettering).

Two Tory MPs voted in both the Aye and Noe lobbies. This counts as an abstention. They were: Iain Stewart (Milton Keynes South) and Mike Weatherley (Hove)

• 19 Labour rebels Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley), Rosie Cooper (Lancashire West), Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North), Jon Cruddas (Dagenham & Rainham), John Cryer (Leyton & Wanstead), Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West), Natascha Engel (Derbyshire North East), Frank Field (Birkenhead), Roger Godsiff (Birmingham Hall Green), Kate Hoey (Vauxhall), Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Steve McCabe (Birmingham Selly Oak), John McDonnell (Hayes & Harlington), Austin Mitchell (Great Grimsby), Dennis Skinner (Bolsover), Andrew Smith (Oxford East), Graham Stringer (Blackley & Broughton), Gisela Stuart (Birmingham Edgbaston), Mike Wood (Batley & Spen).

• One Liberal Democrat rebel Adrian Sanders (Torbay)

• Eight Democratic Unionist Party MPs who voted for the referendum: Gregory Campbell (Londonderry East), Nigel Dodds (Belfast North), Jeffrey Donaldson (Lagan Valley), Rev William McCrea (Antrim South), Ian Paisley Junior (Antrim North), Jim Shannon (Strangford), David Simpson (Upper Bann), Sammy Wilson (Antrim East)

• Independent Unionist who voted for the referendum: Lady Sylvia Hermon (Down North)

• Green Party Leader Caroline Lucas (Brighton Pavilion) voted for the referendum