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Andy B

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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #15 on: 02 December 2011, 11:55:30 »

Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.

[edit] I know one of you is going to assert they left-foot brake everywhere and thus use two feet.. I just can't remember which one of you it is, or I'd get a jab in there first  :P ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #16 on: 02 December 2011, 11:59:14 »

Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.

[edit] I know one of you is going to assert they left-foot brake everywhere and thus use two feet.. I just can't remember which one of you it is, or I'd get a jab in there first  :P ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I should have known it was you  :P ;D ;D
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #17 on: 02 December 2011, 12:05:31 »

Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.

[edit] I know one of you is going to assert they left-foot brake everywhere and thus use two feet.. I just can't remember which one of you it is, or I'd get a jab in there first  :P ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I should have known it was you  :P ;D ;D

I honestly feel more comfortable using two feet. Even more so in her Samrt where there's not that much room in the driver's foot well for a pair of size 10 boots.  :y :y
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #18 on: 02 December 2011, 12:07:46 »



Those who say that an auto won't "make progress" don't know how to drive one properly.

:)


As many CPU drivers will attest to. :y
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #19 on: 02 December 2011, 12:09:08 »

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What would you do?

What do you think I'd say .............  ;D ;D ;D ;D

2 pedals good
3 pedals bad  :y :y :y


And for that statement of fact Andy,  nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #20 on: 02 December 2011, 12:11:10 »

........
What would you do?

What do you think I'd say .............  ;D ;D ;D ;D

2 pedals good
3 pedals bad  :y :y :y


And for that statement of fact Andy,  nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

PS what's a CPU driver  :-\
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« Reply #21 on: 02 December 2011, 12:13:46 »

........
What would you do?

What do you think I'd say .............  ;D ;D ;D ;D

2 pedals good
3 pedals bad  :y :y :y


And for that statement of fact Andy,  nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

PS what's a CPU driver  :-\

Sounds like something you'd install on a computer, to me! ;) ;D

I haven't really tried left foot braking in the Omega to be honest - last time I did that was in my knackered old Nissan Bluebird (you had to roll up to a junction with your foot on the accelerator, brake with your left foot and knock it out of gear with your hand as it wouldn't idle in D when stopped).. a number of times I emergency stopped well short of the junction  :-[ (admittedly this was 15 years ago and I hadn't long been driving..)
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #22 on: 02 December 2011, 12:14:28 »

........
What would you do?

What do you think I'd say .............  ;D ;D ;D ;D

2 pedals good
3 pedals bad  :y :y :y


And for that statement of fact Andy,  nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

PS what's a CPU driver  :-\

Close Protection Unit - used to be called VIP escorts in simpler times. ;D
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #23 on: 02 December 2011, 12:26:41 »

Hi ya Kevin,

In your opinion how much difference could you get in the twisties from a manual? I mean the 0-60 dash isn't that much different so just wondering if there would be a dramatic effect on country lanes?

Yes, out and out acceleration might not be much different, although it can't fail to be improved with a manual, if it's peddled competently.

I'd also add that it probably depends on your driving style.

What I find frustrating about the auto is that unless you hold it down into 2nd and keep the revs high all the time, it's up and down the box all the time, and often changes down half way round a bend, and up again with the slightest lift of the throttle, which is not helpful.

The other issue is that it provides very little engine braking to speak of, even in a low gear, because you have the soggy coupling of the torque converter between engine and wheels.

With a manual, you can set the car up in the right gear for the speed before a bend, and you then have a range from flat out acceleration to considerable engine braking available without moving your foot from the accelerator.

On an auto you have to use the brake to get any significant braking. To get to the brake you have to come off the throttle, whereby the engine settles practically to an idle (even when 2nd is manually selected the RPM drops pretty significantly). When the time comes to get back on the throttle, there's a delay while revs rise again, and then the power comes in with a bang, perhaps even an unexpected downshift of the box.

yes, I know some will tell me to left foot brake. No, thanks. I value my ability to still be able to drive a manual. ;)

The auto's gear ratios are too few and too widely spaced. Where's the fun in pushing it to the red line, only to find you lose 2500 RPM changing up and the engine's flat?

Does it make any difference speed wise? I don't know. Maybe I peddle an auto along as quick as a manual when I stick with it, and ultimate speed on a public road is not my primary concern. The experience of driving a manual "enthusiastically" is just so much more satisfying IMHO. Getting every gear change smooth, with a little blip of the throttle on downshifts to match the revs, slipping the clutch  and feeding in the power just enough to get a smooth launch without wheel spin or letting the engine bog down etc. It's lovely stuff, which is all lost with an auto.

I should say that the above is just the opinion of one driver with very average driving ability and no special training or skills, other than a passion for enjoying the open road in a nice car.

I have aheard all the auto/manual qarguments many times before. They haven't altered what I, personally, find satisfying on the road. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: 02 December 2011, 12:29:06 »

Nicely put, Kevin - everything I'd have said, had I taken the time to do more than take the pee a little  ;) So I agree entirely :y
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #25 on: 02 December 2011, 12:29:19 »

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 used to be called VIP escorts in simpler times. ;D

Isn't that a completely different forum these days?  ;) ;) ;)
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #26 on: 02 December 2011, 12:34:12 »

What's a manual? ::)
It's the book that you'll find in the leatherette pouch that is currently stopping you from using the glovebox. :P

It might even tell you what a clutch is and how to change gear... couldn't say for certain though, because I've not read mine ::)

Nicely put, Kevin - everything I'd have said, had I taken the time to do more than take the pee a little  ;) So I agree entirely :y
Seconded. I've owned 3 blue collar exec barges, 1 auto Granada Cosworth and 2 manual 3.2 Omegas. The only thing wrong with the Granada was the slush box. Omega wins hands down for me simply because of the driveability given by physically selecting the gear you want. :y
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« Reply #27 on: 02 December 2011, 12:35:33 »

Oh and James, you should have changed the 'box while you had the exhaust off... :-X
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #28 on: 02 December 2011, 12:38:23 »

....
yes, I know some will tell me to left foot brake. No, thanks. I value my ability to still be able to drive a manual. ;)

 ......


My going to work & back Astra is a manual  ;) ;) ;) and I can still left foot brake in my Omega & her semi-auto flappy paddle Smart!  :y :y (the hardest bit about driving that is flappy paddling the gear shift, flick wiping the screen & main/dipped beam and getting the correct stalk/paddle  ??? ??? ???)
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Re: I am So torn...
« Reply #29 on: 02 December 2011, 13:07:39 »

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 used to be called VIP escorts in simpler times. ;D

Isn't that a completely different forum these days?  ;) ;) ;)


 ;D ;D ;D Splendid. :y
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