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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Jay42 on 01 March 2012, 12:08:18
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Hello everyone,
Firstly purchased second hand Omega 3.0 V6 on a T plate at 74000 miles good service history in January this year.
Now the problem went to work Monday morning from Kingston Surrey to Cambridge finished job at 2.30 am went to start car and flat Battery
Green flag came out and got me started everything was ok, got home around 5.30 am switched off the checked to see if she would start again sure thing sprung into life, oh well must've left summit on.....
No work Tuesday went out to car at 5pm just to check if she would start an sure enough sprung into life ok I think all is good.....
Wednesday morning off to Cambridge again started first time all was good on the way to work no obvious problems apart from noticing the automatic gear box seemed to be hunting for finnal gear at high revs during kick down and overtake strange I thought.
Wednesday evening 6pm left work heading back to Kingston Surrey all was good for about 40 miles then power steering begins to get heavy, then Battery warning light comes on, then temperature warning light comes on and temperature hit 100 for less than 5 mins before I could get her on to the off ramp hard shoulder on the A1m to Luton airport (hopefully no permanent damage done pipes seem all ok expansion tank has dumped its contents fingers crossed)
Green flag checked and confirmed its the auxillary belt plus the tensioner/pulley.
Looked at pictures of what the pulley should look like and mine is missing the v knotched wheel must've completely shattered causing the belt to shred up. Little bit of plastic scuffage to the cover behind said pulley wheel assuming I'm right that would be the timming belt cover.
So my questions are,
1. Have I done more damage for the less than 5 minutes to get her safe fingers crossed hopefully not.
2. How easy is it to replace and any special tools needed to do this myself.
3. Is there anything else aside form the obvious that whilst I'm there and she's all in pieces I should also check condition of and or change.
Thanks in advance for any help on this matter of urgencie.
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Buy the tensioner pulley on it`s own. Part # 9157962. Just undo nut, remove cup & pulley & replace
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Sounds like Aux belt has come off when the Battery Light came on, now the Water pumps not turning causing the Engine to overheat, did the car die at any point or did you just park up, doesn't take long to do the Head Gaskets in this scenario.
Whats happened since, does it start, run correctly, if so any water loss or leaks or oil loss etc.
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Buy the tensioner pulley on it`s own. Part # 9157962. Just undo nut, remove cup & pulley & replace
Thanks fella read that on here and thought I would try that but still got to do the belt aswell and I ain't very mechanically minded, give me a bit of carpet or any type of flooring and I'm in my element when it comes to engines I'm at a complete loss at where to even start.
Got a price from the garage and she's in there now it was £225 to do belt and pulley which I thought seemed a fair price.
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Buy the tensioner pulley on it`s own. Part # 9157962. Just undo nut, remove cup & pulley & replace
Thanks fella read that on here and thought I would try that but still got to do the belt aswell and I ain't very mechanically minded, give me a bit of carpet or any type of flooring and I'm in my element when it comes to engines I'm at a complete loss at where to even start.
Got a price from the garage and she's in there now it was £225 to do belt and pulley which I thought seemed a fair price.
Around £50 for belt & pulley. 10-15 minute job
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Sounds like Aux belt has come off when the Battery Light came on, now the Water pumps not turning causing the Engine to overheat, did the car die at any point or did you just park up, doesn't take long to do the Head Gaskets in this scenario.
Whats happened since, does it start, run correctly, if so any water loss or leaks or oil loss etc.
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Thats exactly what it is belt is shreded pulley wheel tensioner is non exsistant and must've shatterd.
Car didn't die and just checked on google maps the distance from roundabout to roundabout and its 1.9m less than 2 minutes, so as I came onto the A1M from the 505 the PS got slightly heavy so I prepared to pull off at the next junction as I could see it approaching on the sat nav, then at around the halfway point the battery light came on and then the temp gauge started climb, so I would say less than a mile before it hit top end and by that time I was stopped and shut down.
When the recovery vehicle got to me and I was able to see under the front of the car the puddle of water was located more on the drivers side and close to the front of the car which I'm hopefull it was just the water from the expansion tank which is almost empty.
Once home recovery guy had to jump pack me so I could park up which worked first time and the engine sound seemed to me to be as normal idle speed seemed to be normal.
Since then I have had it recovered to a garage for repair cost of repair for belt and pulley tensioner wheel is £225 seems fair.
Recovery guy had to jump pack me to get it on the truck started first time and seemed to be running fine no big clouds of smoke and sounded smooth.
Fingers crossed I haven't done any permanent damage.
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£225 is a complete rip off, as Rob says its a 15 minute job :o
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Fingers crossed on the Head Gasket side then, when you say 'expansion tank has dumped its contents' how much water are we talking about?, how much water have you had to put back in, or have you not checked that, was there any water around the water pump location or under it?, any brown dried up spray marks around the pump / tensioner area. Any spilt hoses any where.
Just to confirm, did the Batt light come on before the overheating or other way round?
The price quoted seems high to me, but thats probably around what a Garage would try and charge, would hate to think they do the work and you still have issues, then start charging more for coolant leaks etc.
Edit: Stupid question I know, but you did have enough water in it in the first place.
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£225 is a complete rip off, as Rob says its a 15 minute job :o
That may well be the case in your eyes, but fir me I took 1 look at it and thought to myself get that wrong and its gonna cost more than the £225 quoted price.
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Fingers crossed on the Head Gasket side then, when you say 'expansion tank has dumped its contents' how much water are we talking about?, how much water have you had to put back in, or have you not checked that, was there any water around the water pump location or under it?, any brown dried up spray marks around the pump / tensioner area. Any spilt hoses any where.
Just to confirm, did the Batt light come on before the overheating or other way round?
The price quoted seems high to me, but thats probably around what a Garage would try and charge, would hate to think they do the work and you still have issues, then start charging more for coolant leaks etc.
Edit: Stupid question I know, but you did have enough water in it in the first place.
Thanks Zirk but checked fluids sunday morning and water was maxed out oil maxed blah blah blah every fluid was at the top.
And to confirm the Batt light came on first flickered a couple of times then was on solid.
Could not see any sign of water or trace elements around the water pump and I didn't top up the water but there was a little left in the expansion tank but only a small ammount.
Could not see any split houses anywhere so fingers crossed.
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Some water left in the Expansion Tank, ok good. I suppose you've pretty much committed to the repair as the cars already towed to the garage, shame you couldn't put it to one side and get one of the Mobile Mechanics on here to do the job, or do it yourself with some help from other members on here.
Hopefully it will back on the road soon.
Chris. :y
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Some water left in the Expansion Tank, ok good. I suppose you've pretty much committed to the repair as the cars already towed to the garage, shame you couldn't put it to one side and get one of the Mobile Mechanics on here to do the job, or do it yourself with some help from other members on here.
Hopefully it will back on the road soon.
Chris. :y
Thanks Zirk that would've been more helpfull but i panicked a bit as I have work booked in and need to get mobile tooty sharp, i will most definetly be consulting with one of the mechanics as you have mentioned and maybe if they want to chime in I would like someone with the knowledge of the car to do a full service and give it a good going over to keep me mobile.
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for £225 i would come to you an do belt!!! 10-15 mins to do. :y
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for £225 i would come to you an do belt!!! 10-15 mins to do. :y
Damn it do you do anything else, I know nothing about cars apart from where to put fuel oil water and other fluids when they break down I'm at a loss. Thank heavens for forums never knew this exsisted until I searched.
The only forums I usually take part in are flooring related as thats my field of expertise.
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can I add to the above? ...........
Your garage is taking the pi$$. Aside from the cost of the actual parts (around £20+vat fro the belt using Trade Club - no idea of the pulley) but they can both be done in under an hour. Check he's not trying to kid you the the axillary/fan belt is anyway connected to the cam belt! He's taking you for a ride & I'd push the car off his garage fore court. >:(
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Guys....we need to give Jay42 a little slack here... He's new to the Forum, needed the car for work so wanted it sorted elpronto so flung it into a garage to sort.
He'd most likely loose well over the £225 if he's loosing work.
PRIOR to knowing the forum I'd have done the same.
NO doubt he may be paying over the odds on THIS occasion but he won't be in the future with help from all you guys. No need to keep banging on about the price.
What is done is done.
Best of luck Jay42...but "don't do it again" ;) :y
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for £225 i would come to you an do belt!!! 10-15 mins to do. :y
Damn it do you do anything else, I know nothing about cars apart from where to put fuel oil water and other fluids when they break down I'm at a loss. Thank heavens for forums never knew this exsisted until I searched.
The only forums I usually take part in are flooring related as thats my field of expertise.
For not a great deal more than that, I'd come to you and replace the cambelt kit at the same time!!!!
£225 for an aux belt and wheel = daylight robbery...
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Sorry, replied to an early post before finishing the thread... didn't see the price issue had already been done to death, should have known better :D
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Well said Duggs We get a bit panicy when the car breaks down and our thoughts are to get it sorted as soon as poss. Hope Jay gets it sorted . He knows now about a wonderful forum.
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Guys....we need to give Jay42 a little slack here... He's new to the Forum, needed the car for work so wanted it sorted elpronto so flung it into a garage to sort.
He'd most likely loose well over the £225 if he's loosing work.
PRIOR to knowing the forum I'd have done the same.
NO doubt he may be paying over the odds on THIS occasion but he won't be in the future with help from all you guys. No need to keep banging on about the price.
What is done is done.
Best of luck Jay42...but "don't do it again" ;) :y
Thank you Duggs absolutly right the price is small in my mind compaired with the potential loss of £1200 for a job booked in this weekend enough said.
Plus the garage I'm using I have used before and the owner is old school very good and maticulous in his work and if the bill is high he will allow you to pay half the invoice and take the car away on the understanding that the balance is paid by the end of the following month, I wonder how many garages would let you do that.
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It was a case of 'needs must'. If Jay needed his car urgently then this was the best thing to do.
Now he knows about the Forum and the help available I'm sure he will think twice next time. ;)
Just out of interest Jay, is the Cam Belt change up to date? This is very important, have you any service history with the car? If in doubt then get one of the guys to come down and change it. :y
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It was a case of 'needs must'. If Jay needed his car urgently then this was the best thing to do.
Now he knows about the Forum and the help available I'm sure he will think twice next time. ;)
Just out of interest Jay, is the Cam Belt change up to date? This is very important, have you any service history with the car? If in doubt then get one of the guys to come down and change it. :y
Simon that is next to be done I have no record of it being done even though she has a full dealer ship service history.
Even though the garage I purchased her from has given me 12 months warrenty on the belt it still concerns me and in my mind would be a false economy to eek out those 12 months cause if it goes its just gonna give me grief.
Hopping to get James down to do it very soon he's pm'd me and is more than whilling to do it plus I'll keep the tea flowing and bacon rolls coming in and pass him his surgical instrements as needed, I'll even throw in a visitors permit so he can park all day in kingston for free.
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Hi Jay42!
Welcome to the joys of Omega ownership!! :y
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Happy days guys she's all done and no problems according to the garage.
What a relief.
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The saga continues.
All good saturday and sunday left early this morning for cambridge and hey hoo finished at 7pm and flat batt >:(
Temps all good no problems there in traffic around the 95 deg and motorway 90 deg.
Maybe my batt has had it, volt test for alternator charge was at 14.9v is this good or bad.
I wonder if summit is daraining the batt or a bad earth perhaps.
Any ideas guys before I torch it.
And who was that Omega owner in a silver saloon that flashed me to pull out in front of him/her coming onto the A1m as I got caught by a slower moving car thanks but I was monotoring temps an gauges an don't want to punch it to warp just yet until timming belt is done, however nice sounding saloon it was like I'd just been passed by a spitfire that really did have some grunt.
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The saga continues.
All good saturday and sunday left early this morning for cambridge and hey hoo finished at 7pm and flat batt >:(
Temps all good no problems there in traffic around the 95 deg and motorway 90 deg.
Maybe my batt has had it, volt test for alternator charge was at 14.9v is this good or bad.
I wonder if summit is daraining the batt or a bad earth perhaps.
Any ideas guys before I torch it.
And who was that Omega owner in a silver saloon that flashed me to pull out in front of him/her coming onto the A1m as I got caught by a slower moving car thanks but I was monotoring temps an gauges an don't want to punch it to warp just yet until timming belt is done, however nice sounding saloon it was like I'd just been passed by a spitfire that really did have some grunt.
Sounds a tad high, possible failing regulator in alternator. Have you done the full test as per guide
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90619.0
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The saga continues.
All good saturday and sunday left early this morning for cambridge and hey hoo finished at 7pm and flat batt >:(
Temps all good no problems there in traffic around the 95 deg and motorway 90 deg.
Maybe my batt has had it, volt test for alternator charge was at 14.9v is this good or bad.
I wonder if summit is daraining the batt or a bad earth perhaps.
Any ideas guys before I torch it.
And who was that Omega owner in a silver saloon that flashed me to pull out in front of him/her coming onto the A1m as I got caught by a slower moving car thanks but I was monotoring temps an gauges an don't want to punch it to warp just yet until timming belt is done, however nice sounding saloon it was like I'd just been passed by a spitfire that really did have some grunt.
Sounds a tad high, possible failing regulator in alternator. Have you done the full test as per guide
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90619.0
Dude that just sounds complicated to me, give me a bit of carpet and a knife and I'm as happy as pig in muck start talking volts and amps an all that other stuff I'm lost shame on me for not listening at school especially in physics :'(