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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: D on 18 March 2012, 14:11:02
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My daily commute is going up from 0 to 70 miles in April. In a way I am really happy as I will be swapping from rail to road and that means a happier me. But given the distance I will be doing over the next year or so, I wondered about an LPG system. I was going to post in the other LPG thread but decided not to clutter up his thread with my questions. I have browsed the posts on the site, but a few specifics:
1. The Stag kit seems recommended, but any particular variant? 300/premium etc
2. Any benefit in the extra cost of a Prins system? Again which variant?
3. I am not at all capable of DIY, particularly something as elaborate as LPG, both due to time and skill constraints. So, although there is a general consensus to DIY, any recommended installers? I am willing to travel if its worth it.
4. Are spare wheel shaped tanks an option on the Omega as I really dont want to loose boot space if possible.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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if you are considering lpg, have a look also on liquid phase gas injection systems.. both telefelex and vialle have good systems and prices better than prince.. I was in search for a friend and teleflex told me this summer about june, kits will be ready.. probably will be early in UK..
ps: new systems use petrol injectors so they cut and drill less..
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Ideally info re: existing/easily available kits. By June, I will already have covered 5k. So would like to get this sorted sooner rather than later.
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if you are considering lpg, have a look also on liquid phase gas injection systems.. both telefelex and vialle have good systems and prices better than prince.. I was in search for a friend and teleflex told me this summer about june, kits will be ready.. probably will be early in UK..
ps: new systems use petrol injectors so they cut and drill less..
Liquid injection is still a "Black Art" in the UK ;)Ideally info re: existing/easily available kits. By June, I will already have covered 5k. So would like to get this sorted sooner rather than later.
Best recommendation I can give you if you are looking to go professional is to use the place the Entwood had his converted at. It is the only "Professional" conversion I have seen that was up to a standard I would expect ;) But it comes at a price :o
Toroidal tanks are an option but (in a Saloon) the range is small and in an Estate there is the option to raise the floor to get a decent range
Where in the country are you and what's the car?
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Had a PM from Entwood, apparently the chap who did it is no longer there.
I am based in SE London/Kent.
Was about to PM you for some more advice. I would love to have a go at doing it myself, but I work better on people than cars.
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Ideally info re: existing/easily available kits. By June, I will already have covered 5k. So would like to get this sorted sooner rather than later.
its definitely worth imo.. the prince dealer who I talked to said that they started the installations but their liquid phase kits price is double the price of their "normal" kit.. :o I was shocked when I heard the price.. but for large suvs its relatively cheap as their petrol and diesel models have huge price differences.. its around 2K£ for prince and teleflex will be around 1K£ (here-both kit and installation)..
ps: prices are for 4 pot..
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if you are considering lpg, have a look also on liquid phase gas injection systems.. both telefelex and vialle have good systems and prices better than prince.. I was in search for a friend and teleflex told me this summer about june, kits will be ready.. probably will be early in UK..
ps: new systems use petrol injectors so they cut and drill less..
Liquid injection is still a "Black Art" in the UK ;) Ideally info re: existing/easily available kits. By June, I will already have covered 5k. So would like to get this sorted sooner rather than later.
Best recommendation I can give you if you are looking to go professional is to use the place the Entwood had his converted at. It is the only "Professional" conversion I have seen that was up to a standard I would expect ;) But it comes at a price :o
Toroidal tanks are an option but (in a Saloon) the range is small and in an Estate there is the option to raise the floor to get a decent range
Where in the country are you and what's the car?
here also.. but I have info that BRC , Teleflex have workers in course and will start soon.. :-\
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Had a PM from Entwood, apparently the chap who did it is no longer there.
I am based in SE London/Kent.
Was about to PM you for some more advice. I would love to have a go at doing it myself, but I work better on people than cars.
If you can change the cambelt then you can fit LPG (as a general rule) ;)
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Oh well, the day I change a cambelt is the day that petrol costs 50p/L
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Oh well, the day I change a cambelt is the day that petrol costs 50p/L
Ahh :-X :-X :-X
You could try asking for recommendations on the LPG Forum (http://www.lpgforum.co.uk) :-\
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Thanks for that link. Is there anyone you recommend?
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Thanks for that link. Is there anyone you recommend?
I've not seen any of their work but a chap called Woody (in Southend) comes quite highly recommended and I've had some dealings over the phone with him (for advice in the past). Tubbs also seems to know his oats :-\
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I have sent Woody an email. Tubbs is probably too far away. Thanks for your help LD.
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Don't know what their prices are like though :-\
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Awaiting a reply. Will update you once I know.
Is Tunnie's quote re: removing the manifold correct? ie :if they dont remove it, then run away?
I really dont have the time for a DIY install, which is why I am willing to pay for it be done properly. The only free time I have is the weekend, which I choose to spend with my son or engage in my research.
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Awaiting a reply. Will update you once I know.
Is Tunnie's quote re: removing the manifold correct? ie :if they dont remove it, then run away?
I really dont have the time for a DIY install, which is why I am willing to pay for it be done properly. The only free time I have is the weekend, which I choose to spend with my son or engage in my research.
agreed .. and dont run, fly away ;D
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It's a constant topic of discussion, but I wouldn't have it drilled in situ ;) Especially as I don't think you can get the nozzles in the right place without removing it
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It's a constant topic of discussion, but I wouldn't have it drilled in situ ;) Especially as I don't think you can get the nozzles in the right place without removing it
I'd like to see someone manage it at all on a V6, but it's always a useful question, to see if they'll say "Yes, Manifold has to come off" or <draw on fag> "Nah, mate. It'll be OK in-situ. We've got this special vacuum attachment on the drill....".
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It's a constant topic of discussion, but I wouldn't have it drilled in situ ;) Especially as I don't think you can get the nozzles in the right place without removing it
I'd like to see someone manage it at all on a V6, but it's always a useful question, to see if they'll say "Yes, Manifold has to come off" or <draw on fag> "Nah, mate. It'll be OK in-situ. We've got this special vacuum attachment on the drill....".
Been quite a hot topic on the LPG Forum ::) Many of the installers say that it's OK to be drilled in situ but agree that to get them in the right place on this car the manifold needs to come off ;)
The chap in Southend that I have suggested is highly recommended. I spoke to him about my Rangie when I first got it and he was quite happy to give me decent telephone support (a good couple of hours) to try and get it sorted :y
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It's a constant topic of discussion, but I wouldn't have it drilled in situ ;) Especially as I don't think you can get the nozzles in the right place without removing it
I'd like to see someone manage it at all on a V6, but it's always a useful question, to see if they'll say "Yes, Manifold has to come off" or <draw on fag> "Nah, mate. It'll be OK in-situ. We've got this special vacuum attachment on the drill....".
or "we use reverse working drill bits , so nothing goes inside" ;D :P
and I watched them when they drilled.. everything goes inside :o and lied in my face >:(
that was a brand new mondeo :'(
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Plastic inlet on some models seems to encourage drilling in situ.
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And as said, and as most of us know, it's not acceptable on this car, they can be a bugger to position correctly with inlet removed first time you DIY anyway.
Other than straws through the plenum (cringe) manifold MUST come off. It's not possible to get the nozzles near the petrol Injectors otherwise. (not wanting to preach the obvious, more a post for less experienced members :) )
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Plastic inlet on some models seems to encourage drilling in situ.
they stick on the top of piston and dont burn easy.. :-\
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Awaiting a reply. Will update you once I know.
Is Tunnie's quote re: removing the manifold correct? ie :if they dont remove it, then run away?
I really dont have the time for a DIY install, which is why I am willing to pay for it be done properly. The only free time I have is the weekend, which I choose to spend with my son or engage in my research.
I'll let the LPG masters confirm as well, but yes!
Having seen the amount of shavings which come out of drilling just 4 injectors, I would not like all that going down into the bores.
You can get away it it, that's why garages do it. But I think its a positive sign of how professional they are if they do remove it :y
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It's a constant topic of discussion, but I wouldn't have it drilled in situ ;) Especially as I don't think you can get the nozzles in the right place without removing it
I'd like to see someone manage it at all on a V6, but it's always a useful question, to see if they'll say "Yes, Manifold has to come off" or <draw on fag> "Nah, mate. It'll be OK in-situ. We've got this special vacuum attachment on the drill....".
Been quite a hot topic on the LPG Forum ::) Many of the installers say that it's OK to be drilled in situ but agree that to get them in the right place on this car the manifold needs to come off ;)
The chap in Southend that I have suggested is highly recommended. I spoke to him about my Rangie when I first got it and he was quite happy to give me decent telephone support (a good couple of hours) to try and get it sorted :y
Spoke to the chap. Price seems reasonable, but......does not remove manifold. Seems like a helpful chap but the manifold issue has me a little worried. Obviously I can ask for it to be removed and fitted, but perhaps at a price. Or maybe they wont remove it at all?
Hmmm, what to do!!!