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Title: 7.5t help
Post by: Elite_L0ver on 27 March 2012, 10:47:44
Can you drive 7.5t on a standard licence passed test last July what's maximum allowed if not  :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 March 2012, 11:07:40
You need class C1 on your licence to drive a vehicle between 3.5t and 7.5t. This came as standard on a car licence until 1997. Later drivers won't have it by default.
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: henryd on 27 March 2012, 11:07:59
Can you drive 7.5t on a standard licence passed test last July what's maximum allowed if not  :y

I think its a no and the max for you is 3500kg,but double check with DVLA site as I'm not sure.


What Kevin said ^^ :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 11:08:42
Can you drive 7.5t on a standard licence passed test last July what's maximum allowed if not  :y

I can. I passed my test years & years ago, but as you passed yours since 97 you're limited to 3.5 tonnes  :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: doz on 27 March 2012, 11:11:19
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 11:13:19
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: RobG on 27 March 2012, 11:14:18
As said, no to 7.5T. This is your limit
Motor vehicles with a MAM of up to 3,500 kg, no more than eight passenger seats, with or without a trailer - weighing no more than 750kg, if fitted with a trailer weighing more than 750 kg, the total weight of the vehicle and the trailer together can’t weigh more than 3,500 kg. The weight of the trailer, when fully loaded, can’t weigh more than the unladen weight of the vehicle
 
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Elite_L0ver on 27 March 2012, 11:18:03
Can you drive 7.5t on a standard licence passed test last July what's maximum allowed if not  :y

I can. I passed my test years & years ago, but as you passed yours since 97 you're limited to 3.5 tonnes  :y

Thanx guys :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 11:27:30
...., the total weight of the vehicle and the trailer together can’t weigh more than 3,500 kg.  .....

the rediculous thing about this legislation is that it's not the actual weight, but the weight it could be eg you'll be over the limit of 3.5t if you towed an empty car trailer that has a MPTML (max gross weight) of 2t behind your 2 tonne car. That's like saying, I'm booking you for speeding because as your car will do 150mph you MIGHT speed!  >:( >:(
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 March 2012, 11:29:27
The problem is, we're dealing with regulations dreamt up by drones in suits who sit at desks. They have no connection with the real world, sadly. ::)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: henryd on 27 March 2012, 11:47:42
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: aaronjb on 27 March 2012, 11:52:44
(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

I couldn't even walk at that point..  ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: doz on 27 March 2012, 11:54:19
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Elite_L0ver on 27 March 2012, 12:06:03
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.

23rd July 2012 second attempt NO MINORS
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: The Red Baron on 27 March 2012, 12:13:37
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.

23rd July 2012 second attempt NO MINORS

eh  ::)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: henryd on 27 March 2012, 12:33:07
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.

23rd July 2012 second attempt NO MINORS

eh  ::)

Bloody time travellers :D :D ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Elite_L0ver on 27 March 2012, 12:54:10
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.

23rd July 2012 second attempt NO MINORS

eh  ::)

Bloody time travellers :D :D ;D

2011 brain freeze  ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 14:07:26
(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

I couldn't even walk at that point..  ;D

Bugger off!  ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 14:10:22
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.

23rd July 2012 second attempt NO MINORS

I'm not even sure there was such a thing as minors & majors when I passed mine  :-\ :-\ (first time  ::) ::))
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: aaronjb on 27 March 2012, 14:18:48
(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

I couldn't even walk at that point..  ;D

Bugger off!  ::) ;D ;D ;D

Hey now .. at least I'd been born, unlike some others ;) ;D In fact, I turned 1 the very next day... ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: henryd on 27 March 2012, 15:46:08
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.

23rd July 2012 second attempt NO MINORS

I'm not even sure there was such a thing as minors & majors when I passed mine  :-\ :-\ (first time  ::) ::))

There wasn't,you either passed or didn't ;)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Kevin Wood on 27 March 2012, 15:56:28
Ya old fart Andy!!!!! Mind you so can I  :-[ :-[

It's frightening sometimes when you realise how long ago a memory was from eg my comment re driving a Mk I Capri rag top ........ 30 years ago!!!!!!  :o  :o  :o

(passed my car test 2nd Aug 1979  ???)

December 23rd 1976 for me ???

Keep it up guys your making me feel well young!!!!!! March 88.

23rd July 2012 second attempt NO MINORS

eh  ::)

Bloody time travellers :D :D ;D

Hmm. What licence class does a Tardis come under?... ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: deltaman on 27 March 2012, 16:38:28
Perhaps I should not mention this, but my pass date was june 1960, bl---y hell imust be getting old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: dbug on 27 March 2012, 16:47:05
Perhaps I should not mention this, but my pass date was june 1960, bl---y hell imust be getting old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beat me to it (1963 also 17), but then you are older than me  ;)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: MaxV6 on 27 March 2012, 17:20:52
i feel all young and spring like now ;)    trying to recall the exact date...  without going and looking it up...    late november 1982? 

Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: big mel on 27 March 2012, 17:28:49
i must make you all look young, I passed my test dec 1956.
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 18:21:24
i must make you all look young, I passed my test dec 1956.

Blimey!!!! You must be really really old Mel!  ;) ;) ;) :y

Nearly as old as my dad  ;) ;)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Omegatoy on 27 March 2012, 18:44:41
march 73 passed bike test :y
age 17
may 73 passed car test(ok landrover)armed forces
age 17

june 73 passed hgv3
age 17

aug 73 passed class 1 hgv
age 17

september 73 passed track vehicle test
age 17

october 73 passed PSV class 1
age 17

nov 73 passed instructor/assessor for class 1 hgv!!

by march 74 after failing over 24 drivers cos they were not in complete control of the vehicles they were driving,or simply did not know how to drive properly

accident damage costs had fallen by 62percent!!! I was not popular with the drivers but very popular with the MT section and the officers!! :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Tetleysmooth on 27 March 2012, 19:44:53
I passed my HGV 1 test in the summer of '76.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/Tetleysmooth/BrainsScanny.jpg)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 20:48:26
I passed my HGV 1 test in the summer of '76.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/Tetleysmooth/BrainsScanny.jpg)

Not in that truck ................ unless you time travelled  ;) ;) ;) ;)

'Summer of 76' would be a P or R      A T reg wagon would be 78/79  :y :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: flyer 0712 on 27 March 2012, 22:15:58
If  you got what they call...grand father rights....that means you past your test years ago and are an old fart like me and many others you can drive 7.5 tonne... :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: YZ250 on 27 March 2012, 23:24:53
...., the total weight of the vehicle and the trailer together can’t weigh more than 3,500 kg.  .....

the rediculous thing about this legislation is that it's not the actual weight, but the weight it could be eg you'll be over the limit of 3.5t if you towed an empty car trailer that has a MPTML (max gross weight) of 2t behind your 2 tonne car. That's like saying, I'm booking you for speeding because as your car will do 150mph you MIGHT speed!  >:( >:(

I agree Andy. I know we have diversed slightly but if I've understood the current towing rules correctly, my son can tow my caravan with my omega but not with his 4x4 truck.

The Omega has a kerbweight of around 1800kg, my caravan has a MTPLM of 1500kg so equates to around 3300kg combined, so I assume this is legal for someone who passed their test in 2003.
His truck has a kerbweight of 2200kg, so with my caravan hooked up to it he is looking at the wrong side of 3700kg. This is obviously not legal without the B+E entitlement.

As we try to encourage large heavy car/ small light van combination, this seems to defeat the object of this. I can only assume that somebody somewhere wanted to prevent a 17 year old towing a Swift Conqueror with his Range Rover Vogue. Am I missing the point here or have I read it wrong on the directgov site. I get more confused every time I read it and it's all immaterial really as he is going for the B+E thing anyway.

Passed my test at 17 in May 1979. (and yes, I am very nearly 50,  :'( )

Regards
Alan
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 23:34:03
...., the total weight of the vehicle and the trailer together can’t weigh more than 3,500 kg.  .....

the rediculous thing about this legislation is that it's not the actual weight, but the weight it could be eg you'll be over the limit of 3.5t if you towed an empty car trailer that has a MPTML (max gross weight) of 2t behind your 2 tonne car. That's like saying, I'm booking you for speeding because as your car will do 150mph you MIGHT speed!  >:( >:(

I agree Andy. I know we have diversed slightly but if I've understood the current towing rules correctly, my son can tow my caravan with my omega but not with his 4x4 truck.

The Omega has a kerbweight of around 1800kg, my caravan has a MTPLM of 1500kg so equates to around 3300kg combined, so I assume this is legal for someone who passed their test in 2003.
His truck has a kerbweight of 2200kg, so with my caravan hooked up to it he is looking at the wrong side of 3700kg. This is obviously not legal without the B+E entitlement.

As we try to encourage large heavy car/ small light van combination, this seems to defeat the object of this. I can only assume that somebody somewhere wanted to prevent a 17 year old towing a Swift Conqueror with his Range Rover Vogue. Am I missing the point here or have I read it wrong on the directgov site. I get more confused every time I read it and it's all immaterial really as he is going for the B+E thing anyway.

Passed my test at 17 in May 1979. (and yes, I am very nearly 50,  :'( )

Regards
Alan

It does defeat the object, as the legislation tends to encourage youngsters to tow nearer weight for weight to get within the 3500 kg limit. Another stupid part is that if you take the B+E part of the test in an auto, you're stuck towing with an auto even if you passed your original test in a manual!  ??? ???

Nearly 50? ??? I've beaten you to it!  :( :(
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: YZ250 on 27 March 2012, 23:45:04
...., the total weight of the vehicle and the trailer together can’t weigh more than 3,500 kg.  .....

the rediculous thing about this legislation is that it's not the actual weight, but the weight it could be eg you'll be over the limit of 3.5t if you towed an empty car trailer that has a MPTML (max gross weight) of 2t behind your 2 tonne car. That's like saying, I'm booking you for speeding because as your car will do 150mph you MIGHT speed!  >:( >:(

I agree Andy. I know we have diversed slightly but if I've understood the current towing rules correctly, my son can tow my caravan with my omega but not with his 4x4 truck.

The Omega has a kerbweight of around 1800kg, my caravan has a MTPLM of 1500kg so equates to around 3300kg combined, so I assume this is legal for someone who passed their test in 2003.
His truck has a kerbweight of 2200kg, so with my caravan hooked up to it he is looking at the wrong side of 3700kg. This is obviously not legal without the B+E entitlement.

As we try to encourage large heavy car/ small light van combination, this seems to defeat the object of this. I can only assume that somebody somewhere wanted to prevent a 17 year old towing a Swift Conqueror with his Range Rover Vogue. Am I missing the point here or have I read it wrong on the directgov site. I get more confused every time I read it and it's all immaterial really as he is going for the B+E thing anyway.

Passed my test at 17 in May 1979. (and yes, I am very nearly 50,  :'( )

Regards
Alan

It does defeat the object, as the legislation tends to encourage youngsters to tow nearer weight for weight to get within the 3500 kg limit. Another stupid part is that if you take the B+E part of the test in an auto, you're stuck towing with an auto even if you passed your original test in a manual!  ??? ???

Nearly 50? ??? I've beaten you to it!  :( :(

I didn't know that. I suppose it's a control issue.  :-\  Yep, sadly only three more days of saying I'm in my late fourties.  ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2012, 23:49:55
.....
  Yep, sadly only three more days of saying I'm in my late fourties.  ;D

It's only a number .............................. at least that's what they kept telling me!  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ ;) ;)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: davethediver on 27 March 2012, 23:50:50
I would just like to say congratulations to all those that passed a driving test in the 60's and 70's on learning the art of the internet and them newfangled computers :y

Grabs coat and runs  :D :D :D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: henryd on 28 March 2012, 00:03:28
.....
  Yep, sadly only three more days of saying I'm in my late fourties.  ;D

It's only a number .............................. at least that's what they kept telling me!  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ ;) ;)

50 was 2.5 years ago for me,and it is only a number,I'm just as daft now as I've always been :-\
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: aaronjb on 28 March 2012, 00:04:02
It does defeat the object, as the legislation tends to encourage youngsters to tow nearer weight for weight to get within the 3500 kg limit.

Arguably only the ones with enough sense to be fine towing a heavier train anyway.. the ones without any brain (that the legislation is designed to protect from themselves) won't care or know what the weight of their train is..

Then again, the first time I towed anything I had my Dad on hand for advice, ditto the first time I drove a LWB van. I doubt the same can be said for the youth of today in general :(
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 28 March 2012, 00:21:40
.....
Arguably only the ones with enough sense to be fine towing a heavier train anyway.. the ones without any brain (that the legislation is designed to protect from themselves) won't care or know what the weight of their train is..

 .......

I think the legislation is to prevent young Tara Parma from hooking up Daddies Range Rover to tow her horses to the local gymkhana
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: aaronjb on 28 March 2012, 00:28:05
I think the legislation is to prevent young Tara Parma from hooking up Daddies Range Rover to tow her horses to the local gymkhana

I think she'd fall nicely into the "doesn't have the brains or doesn't care" section of my comment ;)
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 28 March 2012, 00:28:54
I think the legislation is to prevent young Tara Parma from hooking up Daddies Range Rover to tow her horses to the local gymkhana

I think she'd fall nicely into the "doesn't have the brains or doesn't care" section of my comment ;)

Exactly!  :y :y :y
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Tetleysmooth on 28 March 2012, 04:17:36
I passed my HGV 1 test in the summer of '76.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/Tetleysmooth/BrainsScanny.jpg)

Not in that truck ................ unless you time travelled  ;) ;) ;) ;)

'Summer of 76' would be a P or R      A T reg wagon would be 78/79  :y :y

No, course not. This is the company I ended up working for. Best job I ever had, until they went bust in '92.
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Andy B on 28 March 2012, 08:26:37
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No, course not. This is the company I ended up working for. Best job I ever had, until they went bust in '92.

 :y :y Not sure I'd want to be hauling brains all day though ......  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 7.5t help
Post by: Tetleysmooth on 28 March 2012, 09:06:42
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No, course not. This is the company I ended up working for. Best job I ever had, until they went bust in '92.

 :y :y Not sure I'd want to be hauling brains all day though ......  ;D ;D ;D
Ha!! We were called Hollywood Haulage because of the gold we all wore.
Great bunch of blokes and a great atmosphere.
It was the best company in the area to work for at the time, and we knew it.