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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tunnie on 12 April 2012, 14:06:59
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So I got my Damp test meter (thanks aaronjb!) - Been testing various sections and sadly it does look like the tiles are leaking, they were put up by the previous owners around 5 years go.
So it looks like they need to come off and be re-done, there is a plumbing shop local to me, so I asked for a recommendation for a plumber. Someone came around today, for a quote, quite staggered by what he said!
Now its a small bathroom, just room enough for a tub, bog & basin. The main side wall which is tilled is maybe around 8 m2, the floor is also tiled (which he said he could just re-tile over ::))
I asked for a price just to do the work, I would supply boxes of tiles. Just wanted the old ones removed, old plaster stripped off. Allowed to dry, re-plaster & re-tile. No problem he said, £3,000 should do it :o :o :o
I'm sorry how much? I'm supplying everything, and you want £3k :o
Fek me I could buy a whole new bathroom for that!
Hummm, will keep looking around for quotes I think!
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So I got my Damn test meter (thanks aaronjb!) - Been testing various sections and sadly it does look like the tiles are leaking, they were put up by the previous owners around 5 years go.
So it looks like they need to come off and be re-done, there is a plumbing shop local to me, so I asked for a recommendation for a plumber. Someone came around today, for a quote, quite staggered by what he said!
Now its a small bathroom, just room enough for a tub, bog & basin. The main side wall which is tilled is maybe around 8 m2, the floor is also tiled (which he said he could just re-tile over ::))
I asked for a price just to do the work, I would supply boxes of tiles. Just wanted the old ones removed, old plaster stripped off. Allowed to dry, re-plaster & re-tile. No problem he said, £3,000 should do it :o :o :o
I'm sorry how much? I'm supplying everything, and you want £3k :o
Fek me I could buy a whole new bathroom for that!
Hummm, will keep looking around for quotes I think!
large steps in opposite direction me thinks. extortionate. :o
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I'll do it for £1500 if your supplying all the materials ........................... oh and food and drink ;D ;D
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I'll do it for £1500 if your supplying all the materials ........................... oh and food and booze ;D ;D
fixed that pete. :y
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;D ;D ;D
Might take you up on that! :)
Now I could strip the tiles off myself, but that did not make much difference to my quote!
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Around £13 per sq. mtr. going rate for labour only, tile & grout
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My parents had a quote for fitting a new toilet recently - labour only, they already had the toilet (fairly standard design, close coupled unit)..
The cheapest quote was £300 for 3 hours work. £100 an hour!
Dad and I did it in an hour ourselves..
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Around £13 per sq. mtr. going rate for labour only, tile & grout
That's more like it if I can find someone quoting similar!
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Have you been behind the bath to check the pipes yet?
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Around £13 per sq. mtr. going rate for labour only, tile & grout
That's more like it if I can find someone quoting similar!
Obviously that`s onto a prepared surface :)
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This is why I do all my own household maintenance, diy and repairs! :y
I put a complete new bathroom in my house 2 years ago. It cost me £3000 for all the top end bits (whirlpool bath, concealled cistern, units, tiles, etc, etc), and took me a week to fit. I've just sold my house and the buyers said was a better quality and finish than the similar sized bathroom they had done by Dolphin recently. It cost them £18000!!! :o
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......... It cost them £18000!!! :o
:o :o :o :o :o Do they wipe your bum when you've finished? :o :o :o :o
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Tunnie, I used this site to get a boiler man in over the holiday. It's an excellent site as you can read reviews and set a budget for a job. Had 3 responses on Bank Holiday Monday and one was round within 30 minutes. Very reasonable rates and the job was done within 24 hours (needed to get a new gas valve).
http://www.mybuilder.com/ (http://www.mybuilder.com/) :y :y :y
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......... It cost them £18000!!! :o
:o :o :o :o :o Do they wipe your bum when you've finished? :o :o :o :o
It gets worse than that. There is a very wealthy fella in my village that wanted to replace a bathroom and an en-suite. He got several quotes from these high-end 'bespoke' companies...
Highest was £63000! He was delighted when he got someone in to do if for £30000! He recon'd he drove a hard bargain, and got a great deal! Apparently it's a skill he's honed because of his job in the City!! ::)
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This is why I do all my own household maintenance, diy and repairs! :y
I put a complete new bathroom in my house 2 years ago. It cost me £3000 for all the top end bits (whirlpool bath, concealled cistern, units, tiles, etc, etc), and took me a week to fit. I've just sold my house and the buyers said was a better quality and finish than the similar sized bathroom they had done by Dolphin recently. It cost them £18000!!! :o
I have considered it, but I have zero experience, also the wall will need plastering, not best place to practice!
Tunnie, I used this site to get a boiler man in over the holiday. It's an excellent site as you can read reviews and set a budget for a job. Had 3 responses on Bank Holiday Monday and one was round within 30 minutes. Very reasonable rates and the job was done within 24 hours (needed to get a new gas valve).
http://www.mybuilder.com/ (http://www.mybuilder.com/) :y :y :y
Thanks Nick, I did post an advert there, had someone come around to give a quote much more reasonable, but I'm not convinced he knew how to do it right. The advert was for removing bath and stuff where now its just tilling.
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Why do you need to plaster a wall, if you are then going to tile over it? :-\
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you need help ill do it for you,sounds like you will be doing most off the work anyway,i will not tile over bathroom floor tiles thay wood need to come up if you want to,and i can check your plumbing for you,im working nights at paddington at moment so could come one evening to look when siuts you,i charge some where around £25 sqm thats all as i can teach you to grout the tiles if you are ok with this i will pm my number,im off to bed.
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Why do you need to plaster a wall, if you are then going to tile over it? :-\
Well, not knowing about these things, I was told that when the old tiles come off, you need to plaster the wall before you can apply tiles :-\
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do it yourself
floor tiles off then lay 6mm ply and vinyl over the top.
as to wall tiles, suggest lift them off carefully and then retile - unlikely you'll need to re plaster
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you need help ill do it for you,sounds like you will be doing most off the work anyway,i will not tile over bathroom floor tiles thay wood need to come up if you want to,and i can check your plumbing for you,im working nights at paddington at moment so could come one evening to look when siuts you,i charge some where around £25 sqm thats all as i can teach you to grout the tiles if you are ok with this i will pm my number,im off to bed.
Sounds good, feel free to pop over and let me know what price you can do it for. Its dead easy for you, just take the train to Greenford from Paddington, usually Platform 12 or 13, its the 1st stop. Acton Main Line, takes just 6 mins! :y
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Still think you need to take off bath panel to check under bath plumbing.
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Around £13 per sq. mtr. going rate for labour only, tile & grout
13 quid :o :o :o :o :o Crikey ! even the Polish guys charge more than that Rob
Wouldn't go anywhere near a small bathroom on those rates :'( :'( :'( :'( . £30.00 m2 round here labour only
Most small to average bathrooms in my experience have 15 -20 m2 of tiles . . . so £450 - £600 in this area.
Suppose it varies from area to area.
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Why do you need to plaster a wall, if you are then going to tile over it? :-\
if the walls not flat some of your tiles wont sit properly so by plastering you will have a flat service......IF it is plastered correctley :y
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It really is a piece of piss to fit like for like suites then tile the walls and floor, you use the same pipes etc and just chop the old stuff off then use flexi compression fittings for the new stuff. Tiling just takes logical thinking for the start and finish points and somme patience.
I am no genius but did mine in about 4 days for about £900 all in including suite, wall and floor tiles, a new electric shower and spotlights.
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Why not arm yourself with a electric breaker with a wide chisel in
take the tiles and plaster off in one go
use a damp proofer like K11 brushed onto the wall
dot and dab plaster board to the wall
and then put your tiles on.
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tip for you,before you tile,run clear silicone around bath,then once tiled run white around bath,it the 1st seal fails its still proctected by the clear :y
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Tunnie
£25 - £30 is the normal price for Tiling.
The surface do'es not need to be perfect to tile on. Yes it would make it easier, just spread and place, but if when you take off the tiles and the wall behind is in good condition (a few pot holes do not matter) you can "dot & dab" them on. Make sure the wall is prepared with PVA or even better an acrylic sealant and use a good flexible adhesive (eg granfix) or a good premixed (not B&Q) and grout
If the wall is bad after being knocked off get someone to re-board (not really a DIY job) with water resistant board as mentioned. If this is on the wall the bath is on then i'm afraid the bath should come out and refitted after boarding. Where it is being tiled it do'es not need to be skimmed just prep'ed as before.
As also mentioned make sure the bath is level and is firmly fixed to the wall and floor. bath movement is what normally causes the seal to fail. If already sealed remove old sealant a re-seal before and after tiling.
The floor should be removed if going to be re-tiled. as mentioned make sure the flooring (T&G or whatever) is fixed firmly to joists, then ply area using screws about 4" apart. again use a flexi adhesive and grout
Please be assured that your own bathroom is the best place to practice and learn and with the many on here help is always at hand. It may take a while to do but by the looks of it waaayyyy cheaper
If you need help anytime my number is on my website |
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Phil - the bathroom fitter :D 8)
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Tunnie - good advice from Philbutt in last post above
plenty of experienced guys on here . Much better ( and cheaper) to do it yourself . . just take your time > look on the tiling forums they are quite helpful
PM me if you want to know anything. No problem - more than willing to give you as much advice as you want .
Setting out tiling properly is the "secret" to a professional finish. Getting the cuts in the right place etc. tiling around a window can be really tricky for a novice . . but its all about foresight to where you start with the first tiles. Again tiling forums will guide you on this
Regards, Al :y :y
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Many thanks to everyone who has responded, some fantastic advice has been read & understood.
A plan is being formulated with help of OOF members :) :y
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Tunnie, I have literally just finished tiling and grouting my son's bathroom 3m square, 2.5m high. Wall condition terrible, old Victorian terrace. Honestly it is not a difficult job, just got to keep them straight and square, I use a laser level. Plenty of advice online, if you can work on your Omega, you can tile and grout. I strongly advise not to use the combined tile and grout cement which gives a very coarse finish to the grout. Use dedicated cement, and also use the powder grout which requires mixing, not the ready mixed, which also gives a coarse finish. The powder type is much easier to apply and gives a better finish to the pointed grout lines, and as it is a softer mix, it is easy to finish using a wet finger or thumb. Only mix up enough to grout a sq. m at a time. When grouting using the powder type, leave it a few minutes after application before 'pointing'. HTH
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Thanks :y
Due to work reasons not able to look at this until Wednesday, but the tiles will be coming off to see whats what :)
So far B&Q has had the best range of tiles, popped to Homebase today at lunch, what an appalling display, all crap!
Looking to get larger ones than in place currently, hopefully make it look bigger. Ideally with a gloss finish
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If tiling around the bath and then down to the floor, if you pick your tile size carefully, you can reduce the requirement to cut the tiles, for example if your chosen size will exactly reach from floor to bath edge. Buy yourself a powered tile cutter for under £40 and make life easy.
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Tunnie, I have literally just finished tiling and grouting my son's bathroom 3m square, 2.5m high. Wall condition terrible, old Victorian terrace. Honestly it is not a difficult job, just got to keep them straight and square, I use a laser level. Plenty of advice online, if you can work on your Omega, you can tile and grout. I strongly advise not to use the combined tile and grout cement which gives a very coarse finish to the grout. Use dedicated cement, and also use the powder grout which requires mixing, not the ready mixed, which also gives a coarse finish. The powder type is much easier to apply and gives a better finish to the pointed grout lines, and as it is a softer mix, it is easy to finish using a wet finger or thumb. Only mix up enough to grout a sq. m at a time. When grouting using the powder type, leave it a few minutes after application before 'pointing'. HTH
No need for "pointing" when grouting normally. Each to their own though. I grout a wall (or 2) at a time, using this method http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGA0Ra-Z4Y which is common peactise. You can cover a large area in a short time. It is all about timing when cleaning down - too soon or too hard and you are in danger of washing the grouting back out.
HTH
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Tunnie, I have literally just finished tiling and grouting my son's bathroom 3m square, 2.5m high. Wall condition terrible, old Victorian terrace. Honestly it is not a difficult job, just got to keep them straight and square, I use a laser level. Plenty of advice online, if you can work on your Omega, you can tile and grout. I strongly advise not to use the combined tile and grout cement which gives a very coarse finish to the grout. Use dedicated cement, and also use the powder grout which requires mixing, not the ready mixed, which also gives a coarse finish. The powder type is much easier to apply and gives a better finish to the pointed grout lines, and as it is a softer mix, it is easy to finish using a wet finger or thumb. Only mix up enough to grout a sq. m at a time. When grouting using the powder type, leave it a few minutes after application before 'pointing'. HTH
No need for "pointing" when grouting normally. Each to their own though. I grout a wall (or 2) at a time, using this method http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGA0Ra-Z4Y which is common peactise. You can cover a large area in a short time. It is all about timing when cleaning down - too soon or too hard and you are in danger of washing the grouting back out.
HTH
I meant this method http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42J8B6m8JA8