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Title: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 13:04:31
The little black box passenger side dash with a wire leading to it  ::)

Please read the manual i aint got one  :P
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: RobG on 25 April 2012, 13:06:09
The little black box passenger side dash with a wire leading to it  ::)

Please read the manual i aint got one  :P
Piccie
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 13:11:45
Nothing on google passenger side  >:(
Its like a black matchbox with a wire coming up to it from beneath the dash  ???
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 13:53:08
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/photo0062.jpg)

 ???
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Andy B on 25 April 2012, 13:54:46
..... ???

It's not in the manual cos GM didn't fit it.  ;) ;) ;)

Aftermarket GPS?  :-\
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 13:55:43
..... ???

It's not in the manual cos GM didn't fit it.  ;) ;) ;)

Aftermarket GPS?  :-\

 ??? ??? :-\
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 25 April 2012, 13:58:37
Yep. Aftermarket GPS antenna of some sort.
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 14:00:20
Yep. Aftermarket GPS antenna of some sort.

But i got built in sat nav  ??? So this box has nothing to do with the built in sat nav ? And i can get rid of it .
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: amba on 25 April 2012, 14:01:28
From a Sat Nav or Speed Camera detector is my guess.
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 14:03:32
From a Sat Nav or Speed Camera detector is my guess.

Hmm ? Think ill delve deeper and try and trace where the wire leads to , no trace of any aftermarket stuff being fitted  ???

Swmbo pointed it out and said whats that you have installed "a camera"  :-\ I just said eerm yeah its a gizmo for the sensors  ;D
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: crusty on 25 April 2012, 14:14:15
Its the aerial for the Carin (Philips) sat nav , fitted by GM . I have one on my dashboard too,  car is 1997 mini facelift 3.0 Elite.
Hope this helps.
Crusty
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 14:17:54
Its the aerial for the Carin (Philips) sat nav , fitted by GM . I have one on my dashboard too,  car is 1997 mini facelift 3.0 Elite. :o :o
Hope this helps.
Crusty
:o :o :o

Arr , best leave it in place then  :o ;)
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Lazydocker on 25 April 2012, 14:37:41
Its the aerial for the Carin (Philips) sat nav , fitted by GM . I have one on my dashboard too,  car is 1997 mini facelift 3.0 Elite. :o :o
Hope this helps.
Crusty
:o :o :o

Arr , best leave it in place then  :o ;)

Normally it's not visible so it may be the Carin was retro-fitted or playing up and a replacement sensor fitted ;)
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 14:46:56
Sat nav disc is years out of date , i never use it . Where should the box normally be fitted  :-\
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Lazydocker on 25 April 2012, 14:54:04
Sat nav disc is years out of date , i never use it . Where should the box normally be fitted  :-\

Tucked under the parcel shelf rings a bell but I could be wrong :-\

I know it wasn't visible on my MFL Saloon ;)
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: crusty on 25 April 2012, 14:56:21
I read somewhere in the manuals i got with my car that the aerial shouldn't be covered up, hence its location on dashboard. Thats where Vauxhall always intended it to be. Locating it elsewhere, possibly  behind/under  dash would defeat the object of it receiving clear  signals. So i don't think its been retro-fitted or relocated, seen a few on Elites, all in the same place.Hope this helps.Crusty.
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 15:05:03
Sat nav disc is years out of date , i never use it . Where should the box normally be fitted  :-\

Tucked under the parcel shelf rings a bell but I could be wrong :-\

I know it wasn't visible on my MFL Saloon ;)

Think ill leave it where it is then , dont fancy ripping the dash out just to hide it ...strange how some are fitted above and some hidden  ::) or maybe its like my ABS thats in auto mode without a button where vx skimped on proper fitment of the upgrade parts .
No worries at least i know what it is now  :)

I read somewhere in the manuals i got with my car that the aerial shouldn't be covered up, hence its location on dashboard. Thats where Vauxhall always intended it to be. Locating it elsewhere, possibly  behind/under  dash would defeat the object of it receiving clear  signals. So i don't think its been retro-fitted or relocated, seen a few on Elites, all in the same place.Hope this helps.Crusty.

Thanks crusty  ;) seems its in the right place then  :y
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Andy B on 25 April 2012, 19:13:38
No idea where the GPS 'aerial' is for my CARiN sat-nav, but it's not stuck on the dash top. The gubbins are in the boot, passenger side, just over the shocker mount.  :y
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 25 April 2012, 19:44:47
No idea where the GPS 'aerial' is for my CARiN sat-nav, but it's not stuck on the dash top. The gubbins are in the boot, passenger side, just over the shocker mount.  :y

Soon to be an antique  :) Cant think of putting anything usefull in its place in the dash  :-\ was it a coin box on other models  :-\
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Bionic on 26 April 2012, 05:10:01
 :) I had the Carin system fitted to the 2.5 I sold and the attenae for it was an unmarked small black squarish box fitted very close to the left side of the dash top almost touching the screen. There was also a small black dome light sensor fitted to the front centre again very near the screen. Looks just the sensor that was fitted to mine so there you go I reckon....... :y
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 26 April 2012, 07:35:56
I never really took any notice of it till swmbo pointed it out  :-X Just glancing at it now and then i thought it might be the sensor for the remote keyfob . Sat nav does work although the voice sound does sound a bit steven hawkins ish  :)
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: feeutfo on 26 April 2012, 08:54:51
Could the carin have bern retro fitted...?

TB has one the same, in the same place.
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: omega3000 on 26 April 2012, 09:05:55
Could the carin have bern retro fitted...?

TB has one the same, in the same place.

Im thinking more that vx had a few problems with the box being hidden so decided to mount the box on the dash for better reception . Cant recall seeing that on my last 2 omegas but they were later models only by a year though .
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Brikhead on 26 April 2012, 09:31:25
There was also a small black dome light sensor fitted to the front centre again very near the screen.
I think the climate control system uses that sensor, I'm fairly sure it's a sunlight detector...

I can't believe Vx. thought it acceptable to stick that 'carin' antennae on the dash like that and then to route the wire and tuck it into the trim! Seems very shoddy!
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Lazydocker on 26 April 2012, 09:42:48
Could the carin have bern retro fitted...?

TB has one the same, in the same place.

Im thinking more that vx had a few problems with the box being hidden so decided to mount the box on the dash for better reception . Cant recall seeing that on my last 2 omegas but they were later models only by a year though .

My 99 had Carin but no GPS antenna shoddily tucked on the dash ;) My money would be on it being retro fitted at some point
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Brikhead on 26 April 2012, 09:52:41
My 99 had Carin but no GPS antenna shoddily tucked on the dash ;) My money would be on it being badly retro fitted at some point

 :y
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: crusty on 26 April 2012, 10:08:17
Hmmmmm.... interesting ...the plot thickens!! I still maintain its the sat nav aerial and as such needs to be 'visible' to the satellites, hence its location on dash. Yes its ugly, with the wire dangling and routed under trim, but like modern day Tom Toms and Navmans we locate them on windscreen  for best signal. To retro fit such a system , although not impossible, would require sourcing of the cd rom in boot, the Philips lcd screen next to radio, the aerial and the loudspeaker in passenger footwell, and all the associated wiring.Would this wiring be in car already? According to my manual (TS 1492-A-97) the cars location is constantly calculated by GPS and a gyro sensor (acceleration probe) and the speedo signal.Would these be in place ready for retro fitting? Would someone go to all this hassle when mobile sat navs have been around for many years? Not sure, so i think its how it left the factory....And the small black dome in center of windscreen on dash is indeed the sunshine sensor for climate control.
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Cliffo B on 26 April 2012, 10:58:54
Is the screen a heat reflective screen (got a purplish tinge from the outside)
Coud be it's there to help with the problem of these screens negative effect on GPs signals
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: crusty on 26 April 2012, 11:10:42
Hi Cliffo, yes i know about these screens,and indeed it would make sense to put receiver in best position to get signals thru this treated screen ,  i think they were on facelift models (2000 on) but my car is 97 mini facelift with normal windscreen. The sat nav receiver is on my dash , just under where most people put their tax disc holders.Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Lazydocker on 26 April 2012, 11:17:21
Hmmmmm.... interesting ...the plot thickens!! I still maintain its the sat nav aerial and as such needs to be 'visible' to the satellites, hence its location on dash. Yes its ugly, with the wire dangling and routed under trim, but like modern day Tom Toms and Navmans we locate them on windscreen  for best signal. To retro fit such a system , although not impossible, would require sourcing of the cd rom in boot, the Philips lcd screen next to radio, the aerial and the loudspeaker in passenger footwell, and all the associated wiring.Would this wiring be in car already? According to my manual (TS 1492-A-97) the cars location is constantly calculated by GPS and a gyro sensor (acceleration probe) and the speedo signal.Would these be in place ready for retro fitting? Would someone go to all this hassle when mobile sat navs have been around for many years? Not sure, so i think its how it left the factory....And the small black dome in center of windscreen on dash is indeed the sunshine sensor for climate control.

Yep... Several members have ;) There's even a guide for it :y

I still find it hard to believe that in Vauxhall's flagship motor (that was competing with BMW and Merc when launched) the GPS sensor would be chucked on the dash as an afterthought ::)
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: crusty on 26 April 2012, 11:30:01
Hi Lazydocker, didn't know about the guide, just seen it....and given the choice of retro fitting or buying  a mobile portable sat nav i'd be straight off to Currys,Comet or Argos!!! But to those who have done it and have a working sat nav afterwards a BIG well done!!crusty
Title: Re: Whats that for ?
Post by: Lazydocker on 26 April 2012, 19:07:39
Hi Lazydocker, didn't know about the guide, just seen it....and given the choice of retro fitting or buying  a mobile portable sat nav i'd be straight off to Currys,Comet or Argos!!! But to those who have done it and have a working sat nav afterwards a BIG well done!!crusty

The trouble with portable units is that they can be unreliable in built up areas, although they have improved dramatically.

I know that my first choice of nav system is always the built in one ;)