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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Steve B on 20 May 2012, 19:27:33
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got these pic from a member on here can anyone identify which one does what. ie;1-2 2-3 3-4 4-od
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/solenoid1.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/solenoid2.JPG)
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Any numbers stamped on `em
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dont no rob amba sent me the pics so will find out when he comes on..he gonna put them in his box
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Any numbers stamped on `em
Have one sitting here with the number Stamped on it. 183 0245 no1128 if that helps.
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Nothing matches that in parts list ???
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top pic is, lhs is the band apply solenoid,the two on the right are the 1-2 and 2-3 solenoids(interchangable)
bottom pic lhs,is the tc apply solenoid and the other is the force apply solenoid. now back to the sherberts...hic!!
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Don't know if this is any good to you ??
http://www.jpat.co.uk/GM%204L30E%20AR25-35.pdf
it might be worth giving jpat a ring ?? I believe they give discount for OOF members if you email them .. details
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=46268.0
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Don't know if this is any good to you ??
http://www.jpat.co.uk/GM%204L30E%20AR25-35.pdf
it might be worth giving jpat a ring ?? I believe they give discount for OOF members if you email them .. details
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=46268.0
Already been advised Nige ;)
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cheers sassanach
jpat £97 :y
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Don't know if this is any good to you ??
http://www.jpat.co.uk/GM%204L30E%20AR25-35.pdf
it might be worth giving jpat a ring ?? I believe they give discount for OOF members if you email them .. details
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=46268.0
Already been advised Nige ;)
Ok :)
cheers sassanach
jpat £97 :y
ahhh :'( :'( :'(
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cheers sassanach
jpat £97 :y
ahhh
Bisto :D
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So on the assumption that the gears " hang " changing from 3rd down to 2nd and on occasion the opposite way causing the thud that we both seem to be experiencing, it would be indicating that replacing the solenoid in the top picture R/H side would be the first course of action.
As both of these solenoids are the same they do an identical job ?
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So on the assumption that the gears " hang " changing from 3rd down to 2nd and on occasion the opposite way causing the thud that we both seem to be experiencing, it would be indicating that replacing the solenoid in the top picture R/H side would be the first course of action.
As both of these solenoids are the same they do an identical job ?
One controls the 2-3, t`other controls the 1-2 and 4-3, although both identical in manufacture
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Thanks for confirming that RobG. :y
So safest bet is to remove both the existing from the box and replace with the set I have kindly been supplied with ??? assuming I don,t fancy spending £97=00 twice for 2 brand " Harry Spankers " ;D
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Thanks for confirming that RobG. :y
So safest bet is to remove both the existing from the box and replace with the set I have kindly been supplied with ??? assuming I don,t fancy spending £97=00 twice for 2 brand " Harry Spankers " ;D
If they`re known working :)
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Can they be tested off the car then,as assume you could run the same lottery with a new part although it would have a warranty.
All the effort of removing/refitting let alone the extra costs of oil/filter /gaskets.
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HANG ON. >:( so ive gotto spend double to be on safe side
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love to see a pic of autobox when sumps off any offers
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pic supplied by amba again bril :y which one is the 2-3 solenoid :y
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/box.jpg)
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pic supplied by amba again bril :y which one is the 2-3 solenoid :y
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/box.jpg)
I've just been researching as I have a similar problem.
It's the part labelled 17:
(http://opeloem.com/imgs/parts_groups/V94/H/V94_H_10.gif)
http://opeloem.com/opel/omega_b_1994_2003/transmission/four_speed_automatic_transmission/valve_body.html (http://opeloem.com/opel/omega_b_1994_2003/transmission/four_speed_automatic_transmission/valve_body.html)
GM 96014224 :y
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looks like the one on the right does the 2-3 change
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It would seem from the picture from the Opel/Vx parts listing the 2/3 change solenoid is infact cloeset to the centre of the gearbox.or on the r/h side in image.
However it does throw up more confusion as part # 17 which is identified as 2/3 solenoid has VX part # 96014224
Part # 18 which is detailed as 1/2-3/4 shift solenoid has part # 96014593.
Now if I refer back to the solenoid set I have both of these solenoids are absolutley identical ,the only difference being the colour of the 2 feed wires.One has a White/Brown wire going to it and the other has Black/Brown.
If they both do and identical function and they are to all intense and purposes the same part why are they identified as having different source part #,s.
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It would seem from the picture from the Opel/Vx parts listing the 2/3 change solenoid is infact cloeset to the centre of the gearbox.or on the r/h side in image.
Looking at it again, I'm inclined to agree.
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Kevin,
Your inclined to agree the 2/3 shift solenoid is closest to the center of the gearbox as per the image and my picture ?
Or you are inclined that whilst the 1/2-3/4 solenoid appears the same as the 2/3 it is in fact different ??
All help and advise greatfuly received as trying to build up the correct6 mental picture of what and which needs replacing. :-\
Also would it be possible to test solenoids out of the gearbox to establish if they are working correctly ??? :)
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Sorry - agree on the solenoid position :y, and on the fact that the part numbers are different on that diagram. :-\
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so are we saying this one does gear change 2-3
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70807181/box1.jpg)
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kin-ell people the two solenoids are interchangeable, the arrow points to the correct solenoid for the 2-3 solenoid. the resistance on a good solenoid is 17.5 t0 18.5 ohms :y
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Gotcha :y
Will check the 2 used ones I have then for resistance.
Getting my "interchangeable " mixed up with my "identical " :y
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So on the assumption that the gears " hang " changing from 3rd down to 2nd and on occasion the opposite way causing the thud that we both seem to be experiencing, it would be indicating that replacing the solenoid in the top picture R/H side would be the first course of action.
As both of these solenoids are the same they do an identical job ?
One controls the 2-3, t`other controls the 1-2 and 4-3, although both identical in manufacture
::) ::)
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Just checked the 2 I have and they are reading:
17.8 ohms for 1 :y other is 21.9 ohms. :'(...so on that basis I have atleast 1 good one working within reading tolerances.
Now as they are both identical/interchangeable I can remove the 2/3 change solenoid from my gearbox and fit a good working one in its place ;D
Be interesting to see what the readings are from the 2 in the box.
When its described as a "sticking solenoid" would that mean grit/dirt or something causing it to not work correctly or would it be down to a highre or lower ohm reading .
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Anybody able to confirm what likely to be causing 1 solenoid to "stick" ?
Can they get small particles of dirt inside them then as look pretty sealed to me .
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Depends what the "normal" failure mode is, TBH.
I can imagine that if the fluid has been allowed to get dirty there might be the possibility of them getting jammed with crud. Then again, the fluid supply to them is well filtered.
On the other hand, maybe it's an electrical issue. Without analysing a few failures it's impossible to tell.
Maybe the difference in resistance is significant, maybe it's just the normal spread you'd expect? Maybe the different part numbers have slightly different resistances?
Given that you've got a couple of spares, I'd be inclined to swap that solenoid anyway and see if it makes a difference. Any difference at all is an indication that we're on the right track.
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andy try just replacing the 2-3 one with the one good one you have i think...cos you said the other onea bit naf :y
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I have just come across this thread and it seems to cover exactly the problem I am experiencing.
Is it difficult to change the 2-3 solenoid and is it the same item in a V6 facelift box as in a TD facelift box?