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Title: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2012, 19:57:25
although a bit long worth watching imo..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2012, 21:15:14
I think there are enough evidences to convince everyone..
 
I do believe, one day, this nation will overcome those powerful evils who murdered those innocent people..
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Andy B on 11 September 2012, 21:22:41
although a bit long worth watching imo..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg)

Certainly gives food for thought!  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 11 September 2012, 21:24:00
I assume it's another one of those conspiracy theory stories, so I'll give it a miss thanks.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2012, 21:26:46
I assume it's another one of those conspiracy theory stories, so I'll give it a miss thanks.  ::) ::)

Nick, watch the end of video.. there is enough physchological explanation for you also ::)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: the alarming man on 11 September 2012, 21:30:08
i have seen this and tbh i would not waste and hour...if some loony lecturer thinks the building was built with expolsives in the structure good luck to him...but why did'nt go before
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2012, 21:34:47
i have seen this and tbh i would not waste and hour...if some loony lecturer thinks the building was built with expolsives in the structure good luck to him...but why did'nt go before

if you waste an hour , you will see that the steel was melted with nanothermite which is used in military not with fuel or office fire.. and fireman telling the explosions one after another.. and lots of engineers and architects concluding that thats a controlled demolition with many evidences.. :y
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: the alarming man on 11 September 2012, 21:37:10
no cem it was a plane and 3000 died in the process..every year same old rubbish
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2012, 21:39:13
no cem it was a plane and 3000 died in the process..every year same old rubbish

personally I would prefer to decide after watching..  :y
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: the alarming man on 11 September 2012, 21:41:46
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2012, 21:47:55
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

if your judgement brings you to this decision its ok.. But I cant agree..
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Johnny English on 11 September 2012, 22:07:53
I'm sceptic with consp theories but in point of 9/11 l incline to accept it as a well conrolled explosion. No need to be military expert to compare videos made at WTC to other videos eg NatGeo's about controlled explosions. You can see the same process and event only one difference there is : the scene.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: ianu on 11 September 2012, 22:16:01
They are definitely right about 1 thing whatever your views:
The world changed that day - forever, as it's set a course that is still affecting us 11 years on and probably will for the next 11.I personally can't comprehend the pre-meditated evil that could commit such an atrocity (whoever it was) and pray I  never experience it again.
In the mean time there is still plenty more of it elswhere in the world - everyday... :-[
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 11 September 2012, 22:19:10
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers.  :y
       
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: OOMV6 on 11 September 2012, 22:32:35
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?Yep, absolute cobblers.  :y
       

Agree with pretty much of what you said. But IF is was conspiracy, then the President would not have sanctioned, just like Kennedy did not sanction himself getting shot.

On your last point. Yes. Afterall, there were people in the US who flew planes into the towers without mentioning it to anyone.


But, on the controlled explosion point. Anyone entertain the thought that maybe the towers were designed and built in such a way that it collapse vertically, storey by storey, in the event of a disaster? Seems logical to me.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Entwood on 11 September 2012, 22:49:17
I guess we'll never really know the answers ... but things do have a way of eventually coming to light ...

Who, 50 years ago, would have believed that the USA would keep quiet about the killing of 22,000 people for political purposes ?? Now it seems that they admit it ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19552745

I'm no anti-US crank .... but there are far too many unanswered questions IMHO ... :( My heart says no country organisation could be that callous ... but history shows that it has happened many times in many places .....  :( so my head must concede the possibility .. :(
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 11 September 2012, 23:02:22
I guess we'll never really know the answers ... but things do have a way of eventually coming to light ...

Who, 50 years ago, would have believed that the USA would keep quiet about the killing of 22,000 people for political purposes ?? Now it seems that they admit it ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19552745

I'm no anti-US crank .... but there are far too many unanswered questions IMHO ... :( My heart says no country organisation could be that callous ... but history shows that it has happened many times in many places .....  :( so my head must concede the possibility .. :(

Entirely different circumstances, to be honest. Large scale death was commonplace at the time and the aim of Roosevelt, Churchill and others was to end the Nazi aggression. To have publicised the murder of Poles by Russians would likely not to have had much affect on a world weary of killing, but could have prolonged the war. Either way, reporting was slow and riddled with propaganda at the time, so they probably decided that keeping it quite was the best way forward. They also wanted Lenin on side.

These days, used to peace as we are..and with instant news and video, the world is a completely different place.

No comparison, IMHO.         
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: tunnie on 11 September 2012, 23:18:39
Various theory's on the cause of the collapse, one I saw was the internal metal structure had a poor coating of protection. I forget what was used, but inspection photos from years before showed it in poor condition.

The resulting fire from the impacts caused area to buckle, once one floor went, that was it.

Given internet age of twitter and e-mails, I find it impossible to believe if it had been planned, someone, somewhere, would have talked.

Also have to ask why? Why would they want to do sometime like that? Iraq which followed, they used different excuses...
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2012, 23:25:17
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers.  :y
     

 ::)  if we omit the last comment seems like we are advancing!
 
 
the video , evidences,comments, explanations are not combined by foreigners .. They are the US citizens and dont forget they are risking themselves.. A group which command the president Kennedy to be shot, you think  cant kill another US citizen ?  dead easy..  Nickbat I think your theory collapsed long time ago when Kennedy was shot and its covered up...
 
Saying that these group of people still in command or their relatives wont be exeggeration imo.. 
 
ps: and I dont count shortly after his brother was also shot and many other people.. :(
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 11 September 2012, 23:42:22
A group which command the president Kennedy to be shot, you think  cant kill another US citizen ?  dead easy..
Saying that these group of people still in command or their relatives wont be exeggeration imo.. 
 
ps: and I dont count shortly after his brother was also shot and many other people.. :(

Cem, Kennedy was assassinated nearly 50 years ago!! Also, political assassinations are one thing, and have featured in history since Caesar!!

Killing innocent men, women and children is a whole different ball game. Give up on this conspiracy theory and move on, please!!!  ;)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: the alarming man on 11 September 2012, 23:53:09
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers.  :y
     

 ::)  if we omit the last comment seems like we are advancing!
 
 
the video , evidences,comments, explanations are not combined by foreigners .. They are the US citizens and dont forget they are risking themselves.. A group which command the president Kennedy to be shot, you think  cant kill another US citizen ?  dead easy..  Nickbat I think your theory collapsed long time ago when Kennedy was shot and its covered up...
 
Saying that these group of people still in command or their relatives wont be exeggeration imo.. 
 
ps: and I dont count shortly after his brother was also shot and many other people.. :(

cem how many friends did you lose in 9/11..???...i lost 3 i have read report after report and trust me it makes it no easier reading unfounded trash like you are spouting..next you will be telling me micheal jackson is'nt dead,and out friend bin laden who lived in a cave and s£$t in a bucket is not dead
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 11 September 2012, 23:53:43
Crikey, Cem, even Democratic President Obama leads tributes to 9/11 victims.

You must think he's in on the conspiracy, too.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_v7spk5b5Aw&list=UUME81PohuzT1JMCsEtvsD2w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_v7spk5b5Aw&list=UUME81PohuzT1JMCsEtvsD2w)

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Johnny English on 12 September 2012, 08:18:09
Hm...we are talking about the TwinTowers only in spite there were four events closely the same time; two towers,Pentagon and a noname building some corners away called just a number (74 iirc). Officials said that Pentagon was bombed on the same way as the Towers by a plane although the plane as itself or it's parts at least was seen neither cameras and satellites nor anybody who were on the scene at  the mentioned time. In connection with the noname also exploded building closely nobody did any announcement as if happened nothing . And one more addition please, on an average day about 20 000 people were in the towers as visitor or worker but on that day almost noone wellknown the number of victims that is still too much of course. So summarised this the circumstances are closely not cleared yet and seems nobody of officials bothered by giving any answer.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: plym ian on 12 September 2012, 08:36:57
careful lads this thread is being bugged, key words and all that ;D

found this on the pentagon probably better vids but it gives you an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 09:18:31
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers.  :y
     

 ::)  if we omit the last comment seems like we are advancing!
 
 
the video , evidences,comments, explanations are not combined by foreigners .. They are the US citizens and dont forget they are risking themselves.. A group which command the president Kennedy to be shot, you think  cant kill another US citizen ?  dead easy..  Nickbat I think your theory collapsed long time ago when Kennedy was shot and its covered up...
 
Saying that these group of people still in command or their relatives wont be exeggeration imo.. 
 
ps: and I dont count shortly after his brother was also shot and many other people.. :(

cem how many friends did you lose in 9/11.. ??? ...i lost 3 i have read report after report and trust me it makes it no easier reading unfounded trash like you are spouting..next you will be telling me micheal jackson is'nt dead,and out friend bin laden who lived in a cave and s£$t in a bucket is not dead

if you prefer to be blind , dont blame me..  >:(
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 09:22:20
A group which command the president Kennedy to be shot, you think  cant kill another US citizen ?  dead easy..
Saying that these group of people still in command or their relatives wont be exeggeration imo.. 
 
ps: and I dont count shortly after his brother was also shot and many other people.. :(

Cem, Kennedy was assassinated nearly 50 years ago!! Also, political assassinations are one thing, and have featured in history since Caesar!!
 
Yep.. Kennedy was assasinated 50 years ago, do you know who killed him ? the very same gun-oil cartel and their muppets inside the fed govt..

Killing innocent men, women and children is a whole different ball game. Give up on this conspiracy theory and move on, please!!!  ;)
 
its the same game.. they use those peoples death to manage community..

Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 09:25:05
Crikey, Cem, even Democratic President Obama leads tributes to 9/11 victims.

You must think he's in on the conspiracy, too.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_v7spk5b5Aw&list=UUME81PohuzT1JMCsEtvsD2w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_v7spk5b5Aw&list=UUME81PohuzT1JMCsEtvsD2w)

Obama is still in charge.. so we need to be carefull.. but just a clue for you, guess who played with his school and other records.. ;) 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cam2502 on 12 September 2012, 09:26:07
The BBC had a female reporter telling us LIVE on air that building 7 had also collapsed. This was a few hours after the towers had came down....Trouble is If she had looked over her left shoulder she could have clearly seen it still standing.

It collapsed 26 minutes later.

So how did the BBC know this building would collapse?

There are so many unanswered questions. We will never know the truth. But I'm not convinced it was all planned by a tall man living in a cave.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 09:28:47
careful lads this thread is being bugged, key words and all that ;D

found this on the pentagon probably better vids but it gives you an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

obviously :y
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 09:33:45
The BBC had a female reporter telling us LIVE on air that building 7 had also collapsed. This was a few hours after the towers had came down....Trouble is If she had looked over her left shoulder she could have clearly seen it still standing.

It collapsed 26 minutes later.

So how did the BBC know this building would collapse?

There are so many unanswered questions. We will never know the truth. But I'm not convinced it was all planned by a tall man living in a cave.

 ;D :y
 
this tall man and his fans were so ignorant that I would be surprised even if they manage to use an airplane ;D
 
and their passports were found in debris with their pictures in good condition where all concrete become dust and steel become molten .. thanks to agents ::)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: horsecow on 12 September 2012, 10:22:49
I'm highly sceptical of conspiracy theories but there just seems to be too many unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 for my liking! I'm not saying there definitely was a conspiracy but there are definitely some things that need to be investigated further which no-one seems to be doing. The American people seem to have accepted too easily the explanations offered as to what happened imo.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 14:50:14
for those interested in JFK case.. start to read from here ::)
 
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmeyerM.htm (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmeyerM.htm)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 12 September 2012, 16:01:29
I've just watched the full 2 1/2 hour version - very interesting indeed.

Lots of very interesting questions - but am not sure what the answers are I must say.

One thing is for sure - ENGINEERS ARE HONEST, so I cant see why they would want to associate themselves with something that they didn't back 100%. There are some very interesting facts regarding specific temperatures etc which also don't stack up.

The big question however, if this theory is correct, is WHY? Extending the question further to the (suicidal) hijacking of the four flights and sanctioning the execution of 3000+ people ............. I suppose the flights could have been flown via remote control - but that just extends the whole thing even futher ............  :'(


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Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: tigers_gonads on 12 September 2012, 16:24:40
I've just watched the full 2 1/2 hour version - very interesting indeed.

Lots of very interesting questions - but am not sure what the answers are I must say.

One thing is for sure - ENGINEERS ARE HONEST, so I cant see why they would want to associate themselves with something that they didn't back 100%. There are some very interesting facts regarding specific temperatures etc which also don't stack up.

The big question however, if this theory is correct, is WHY? Extending the question further to the (suicidal) hijacking of the four flights and sanctioning the execution of 3000+ people ............. I suppose the flights could have been flown via remote control - but that just extends the whole thing even futher ............  :'(


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Or had there navigation systems was altered by the same people who made your airforce phantom take a little trip across the syrian border  :-X :-X :D :D :D

Sorry cem, imo it was planned and executed by a certain saudi prince and his nutty chums  :(

It did play into the hands of the good o'l US of A though and gave them a nice big fat excuse to invade anybody in the middle east under the glorious crusade against terrorism  ::)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 17:05:48
I've just watched the full 2 1/2 hour version - very interesting indeed.

Lots of very interesting questions - but am not sure what the answers are I must say.

One thing is for sure - ENGINEERS ARE HONEST, so I cant see why they would want to associate themselves with something that they didn't back 100%. There are some very interesting facts regarding specific temperatures etc which also don't stack up.

The big question however, if this theory is correct, is WHY? Extending the question further to the (suicidal) hijacking of the four flights and sanctioning the execution of 3000+ people ............. I suppose the flights could have been flown via remote control - but that just extends the whole thing even futher ............  :'(


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yes.. no reason for many of them to lie..
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 17:47:22
I've just watched the full 2 1/2 hour version - very interesting indeed.

Lots of very interesting questions - but am not sure what the answers are I must say.

One thing is for sure - ENGINEERS ARE HONEST, so I cant see why they would want to associate themselves with something that they didn't back 100%. There are some very interesting facts regarding specific temperatures etc which also don't stack up.

The big question however, if this theory is correct, is WHY? Extending the question further to the (suicidal) hijacking of the four flights and sanctioning the execution of 3000+ people ............. I suppose the flights could have been flown via remote control - but that just extends the whole thing even futher ............  :'(


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Or had there navigation systems was altered by the same people who made your airforce phantom take a little trip across the syrian border :-X :-X :D :D :D

Sorry cem, imo it was planned and executed by a certain saudi prince and his nutty chums  :(

It did play into the hands of the good o'l US of A though and gave them a nice big fat excuse to invade anybody in the middle east under the glorious crusade against terrorism  ::)

indirectly yes.. :D ;D
 
normally our airforce dont have problem with syrians.. but when US start to push our politicians from their back ,  they had to do something to keep their chairs.. result, 2 lifes lost in a military operation which doesnt interest Turks in any case..
 
and guess who is backing 100,000 of syrian people and for what reason.. >:(
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 18:09:34
and another interesting video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-U5xyqSg48 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-U5xyqSg48)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Rods2 on 12 September 2012, 20:39:30
I've seen the uncut, unseen video and it was definitively Elvis who was helped by Ernst Stavro Blofeld, Professor Evil, Dastardly Dan and Muttley and you will never convince me otherwise.  :o :o :o :o

Much easier ways to start a war, then to kill 3000+ of your own citizens. Why risk a security leak or the mass deaths of innocent women and children and the universal revulsion there is to this in all societies. Still that wouldn't pay the wages of conspiracy theorists and all of their documentary hangers on.

Watched the trash documentary once, personally I prefer a good Bond film, about as plausible, but much more entertaining.

I was working from home the day it happened and on the radio news that there were unconfirmed reports that an aircraft had hit one of the twin towers, turned on the TV news and watched in full horror as the second aircraft hit and the full horror that followed, including watching the towers collapse. There were NO explosions before the collapse.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: stewart000 on 12 September 2012, 21:40:38
havent seen this yet, but one big question i have is about NORAD,
they moniter all airtrafic over the USA airspace, were they all on coffee break and
none of them thought anything when the aircraft diviated from it's flight path without any reason?
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 12 September 2012, 21:46:21
havent seen this yet, but one big question i have is about NORAD,
they moniter all airtrafic over the USA airspace, were they all on coffee break and
none of them thought anything when the aircraft diviated from it's flight path without any reason?

Never heard of transponders? They provide vital information to ground controllers.

On American 11, the transponder signal was turned off at 8:21; on United 175, the code was changed at 8:47; on American 77, the signal was turned off at 8:56; and on United 93, the signal was turned off at 9:41.

No conspiracy there!
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 21:49:28
havent seen this yet, but one big question i have is about NORAD,
they moniter all airtrafic over the USA airspace, were they all on coffee break and
none of them thought anything when the aircraft diviated from it's flight path without any reason?

leaving all evidence in the video aside, its not hard, its impossible to believe that a group of idiots pass all that security and hit those planes to those buildings..
 
for a minute, lets assume they did it.. put yourself instead of people would these building be your #1 target ..  my answer is definitely no.. even if their target was to kill many people, they could bomb a more crowded structure like a stadium..
 
problem is whoever designed that , never ever can think like a middle east terrorist.. :D 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 12 September 2012, 21:54:32
havent seen this yet, but one big question i have is about NORAD,
they moniter all airtrafic over the USA airspace, were they all on coffee break and
none of them thought anything when the aircraft diviated from it's flight path without any reason?

leaving all evidence in the video aside, its not hard, its impossible to believe that a group of idiots pass all that security and hit those planes to those buildings..
 
for a minute, lets assume they did it.. put yourself instead of people would these building be your #1 target ..  my answer is definitely no.. even if their target was to kill many people, they could bomb a more crowded structure like a stadium..
 
problem is whoever designed that , never ever can think like a middle east terrorist.. :D

Of course it would. The Twin Towers symbolised US wealth and economic status.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 21:56:59
havent seen this yet, but one big question i have is about NORAD,
they moniter all airtrafic over the USA airspace, were they all on coffee break and
none of them thought anything when the aircraft diviated from it's flight path without any reason?

leaving all evidence in the video aside, its not hard, its impossible to believe that a group of idiots pass all that security and hit those planes to those buildings..
 
for a minute, lets assume they did it.. put yourself instead of people would these building be your #1 target ..  my answer is definitely no.. even if their target was to kill many people, they could bomb a more crowded structure like a stadium..
 
problem is whoever designed that , never ever can think like a middle east terrorist.. :D

Of course it would. The Twin Towers symbolised US wealth and economic status.  ::) ::) ::)

dont forget they are not from russia or china ;D
 
and they are not communists..  ;D ;D
 
 
the plan makers wanted a big show so that everybody can watch the details like a broadway film ;)
 
 
its an american style.. :-\
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 12 September 2012, 22:03:37
havent seen this yet, but one big question i have is about NORAD,
they moniter all airtrafic over the USA airspace, were they all on coffee break and
none of them thought anything when the aircraft diviated from it's flight path without any reason?

leaving all evidence in the video aside, its not hard, its impossible to believe that a group of idiots pass all that security and hit those planes to those buildings..
 
for a minute, lets assume they did it.. put yourself instead of people would these building be your #1 target ..  my answer is definitely no.. even if their target was to kill many people, they could bomb a more crowded structure like a stadium..
 
problem is whoever designed that , never ever can think like a middle east terrorist.. :D

Of course it would. The Twin Towers symbolised US wealth and economic status.  ::) ::) ::)

dont forget they are not from russia or china ;D
 
and they are not communists..  ;D ;D

 
 
the plan makers wanted a big show so that everybody can watch the details like a broadway film ;)
 
 
its an american style.. :-\

Why the laughing smileys? American power was what the bombers wanted to strike out at. The fact that it was shown live on TV is down to the instant commercially-run news broadcasting they have in the States...you can even watch cops chasing cars in real time there.

Still, I expect you think all the TV companies were in on it, too. Crikey, Cem, was there no-one in the US that was not in on this master plan?  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 22:09:41
Nickbat, every terorist when risking their life try to give damage as much as they can..
 
there are many tall buildings in america and 230 millions of american citizen..
 
even if their iq level was above 90 they would destroy more strategic places which are related
 
to powerful organisations.. pentagon, langley etc.. but not stupid skyscrapers..
 
 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cleggy on 12 September 2012, 22:12:34
We get this conspiracy crap every year. >:( >:(

Let me give you a conspiracy theory:- A bunch of muslim fanatics financed by Saudia Arabia, and living in Pakistan/Afganistan hijacked four US domestic planes and crashed two in New York, one in Virginia, and one in Baltimore murdering thousands of innocent men, women and children!!!

END OF. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 12 September 2012, 22:18:25
Nickbat, every terorist when risking their life try to give damage as much as they can..
 
there are many tall buildings in america and 230 millions of american citizen..
 
even if their iq level was above 90 they would destroy more strategic places which are related
 
to powerful organisations.. pentagon, langley etc.. but not stupid skyscrapers..

Terrorist organisations have historically attacked symbols of national pride. All the way back to the hijacking and destruction of national airline planes in the 1960s. I assume the 9/11 terrorists wanted to hit the Twin Towers as they were a potent symbol of US power. They may be "stupid skyscrapers" to you, but to US citizens they were a cherished landmark of New York City.

Methinks that no matter what I say that you have a meme - that the US is run by shady criminals who eat babies for breakfast. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I feel you are trying to fit the events to a preconception, namely that it was an inside job and no matter what facts are presented to you, nothing will change your deep-seated conviction...even if it's wrong.   
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 22:19:18
 ::)
 
honestly ,conspiracy is what the govt explained officially .. and a load of 'dangle berries' without any proof.. same warren comission..
 
truth is what the engineers and architecs are trying to tell the community risking their jobs and lifes for a better nation..
 
please respect them..
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 12 September 2012, 22:20:40
We get this conspiracy crap every year. >:( >:(

Let me give you a conspiracy theory:- A bunch of muslim fanatics financed by Saudia Arabia, and living in Pakistan/Afganistan hijacked four US domestic planes and crashed two in New York, one in Virginia, and one in Baltimore murdering thousands of innocent men, women and children!!!

END OF. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Indeed, Cleggy. Spot on and end of!  :y :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 22:23:53
Nickbat, every terorist when risking their life try to give damage as much as they can..
 
there are many tall buildings in america and 230 millions of american citizen..
 
even if their iq level was above 90 they would destroy more strategic places which are related
 
to powerful organisations.. pentagon, langley etc.. but not stupid skyscrapers..

Terrorist organisations have historically attacked symbols of national pride. All the way back to the hijacking and destruction of national airline planes in the 1960s. I assume the 9/11 terrorists wanted to hit the Twin Towers as they were a potent symbol of US power. They may be "stupid skyscrapers" to you, but to US citizens they were a cherished landmark of New York City.

Methinks that no matter what I say that you have a meme - that the US is run by shady criminals who eat babies for breakfast. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I feel you are trying to fit the events to a preconception, namely that it was an inside job and no matter what facts are presented to you, nothing will change your deep-seated conviction...even if it's wrong.   

Nickbat, there are also many skyscrapers in middle east and honestly (sorry) we dont give a sh*t on them..they are no symbol for anything.. everyone knows the organization who makes operations through out the world.. and they will be #1 target..  :-X  I'm trying to tell something so please stop and think for a minute..
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nickbat on 12 September 2012, 22:54:36
Nickbat, there are also many skyscrapers in middle east and honestly (sorry) we dont give a sh*t on them..they are no symbol for anything.. everyone knows the organization who makes operations through out the world.. and they will be #1 target..  :-X  I'm trying to tell something so please stop and think for a minute..

The Twin Towers WERE symbolic. I visited New York in the 1980s and visited the Twin Towers complex on business. I presume you have never visited the United States and are therefore unable to comprehend the way that such buildings can, in the West, be regarded as symbolic.

I could think for a million minutes and still come to the conclusion that this conspiracy theory is garbage.  ::) ::)   
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 23:02:07
Nickbat, there are also many skyscrapers in middle east and honestly (sorry) we dont give a sh*t on them..they are no symbol for anything.. everyone knows the organization who makes operations through out the world.. and they will be #1 target..  :-X  I'm trying to tell something so please stop and think for a minute..

The Twin Towers WERE symbolic. I visited New York in the 1980s and visited the Twin Towers complex on business. I presume you have never visited the United States and are therefore unable to comprehend the way that such buildings can, in the West, be regarded as symbolic.

I could think for a million minutes and still come to the conclusion that this conspiracy theory is garbage.  ::) ::)

symolizes what ? New York.. so what ;D
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: albitz on 12 September 2012, 23:12:48
I was at the top of the world trade centre a month before it came down,and it was a hugely impressive place to be.Something I was always going to remember,but I didnt know at the time just how memorable it would become.
Ive watched countless documentaries on the subject,read lots of articles etc. and although there will always be unanswered questions around any event as momentous as this,I cant see any real merit in the conspiracy theories tbh.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 23:14:13
ok.. Nickbat and Albitz I have concluded that you cant be terorists.. your situation is desperate stay in home ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 12 September 2012, 23:15:49
terrorists dont fight with buildings ;D
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Turk on 13 September 2012, 01:20:20
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers.  :y
     

 :-\

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=1096
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 13 September 2012, 11:52:57
i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers.  :y
     

 :-\

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=1096 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=1096)

yep.. another historical fact..  :y
 
even without decoding japanese communication , you can expect an attack.. why ? simple .. everyone knows , not all but most of american fleet was sleeping in pearl harbor..  in fact the results of attack would be more damaging if some of the the ships and aircraft carriers were not in repair in mainland (as far as I remember).. Admiral Yamomoto, decided to attack  based on the info that most american fleet is in the bay.. But after the attack decision, some of the ships go to mainland for repair.. besides it was a deadly fault to keep ships all side by side inside the harbor.. and one of the ships hardly avoid to be sunk in the middle of harbor exit.. and a last info, they catched or sunk a small japanese submarine before the event.. I think only war drums were missing ;D  really I dont believe American intelligency was in sleep.. :-\
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: albitz on 13 September 2012, 12:06:29
The U.S is quiter insular at times and they find it difficult to comprehend that outside forces would attack them on their own soil.
Understandable I suppose,as pearl harbour and 9/11 are the only two occasions which come to mind that it has actually happened.
On the rare occasion it does happen it shocks them to their core,and the reaction,unfortunately is all too predictable - Hiroshima/Nagasaki,and Iraq/Afghanistan. :(
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 13 September 2012, 12:31:38
The U.S is quiter insular at times and they find it difficult to comprehend that outside forces would attack them on their own soil.
Understandable I suppose,as pearl harbour and 9/11 are the only two occasions which come to mind that it has actually happened.
On the rare occasion it does happen it shocks them to their core,and the reaction,unfortunately is all too predictable - Hiroshima/Nagasaki,and Iraq/Afghanistan. :(

insular ? normal citizens yes.. having their daily lifes.. int. service.. no..  its their duty to stay awake!  but they are generally busy with digging graves ;D
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: Nick W on 13 September 2012, 12:41:14
terrorists dont fight with buildings ;D

No, they attack obvious, high profile targets in unexpected, vicious, cruel and messy ways. The low-tech way is a car bomb. It's not difficult to mix a batch of home-made explosives, pack it in a van with nails and ballbearings and detonate it in a busy  public place.

9/11 was just a bit more high-tech; the concept is sophisticated, but actually carrying it out wasn't difficult. After all, the only moderately tricky bit was to highjack several airliners simultaneously. I suspect that's the only reason that the perpetrators weren't the legitimate pilots of the planes. Don't forget that the other planes didn't make it to their targets, which being military were better defended.

The real damage is not the loss of life or the gap in the New York skyline. It's the backlash within American and, to a lesser extent, the rest of Western society. Look at how pervasive the Homeland Security Agency is; if you'd said 15 years ago that Americans would have willingly accepted it's powers and methods, you would have been laughed at. America was The Land Of The Free and wasn't prepared to let anyone forget it. Until September, and the entire country was clamouring to be protected.

The terrorists actions made Americans want to live in more of a police state, and by that result alone, they can only consider it a huge success.

The sad thing about this is that nations cannot fight terrorists publicly through bureaucracies. The only effective way is to discretely hunt the murderous oppsers down and make them disappear for ever. And that's just as scary a thing for a civilised democratic society to do.
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: albitz on 13 September 2012, 12:58:40
Well said. :y
Title: Re: 9/11
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 13 September 2012, 14:35:49
it seems everyone is forgetting one fact..
 
9/11 is not a few times more , its million times more tall expectation from those idiots..