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[cleggy]

We get this conspiracy crap every year.

Let me give you a conspiracy theory:- A bunch of muslim fanatics financed by Saudia Arabia, and living in Pakistan/Afganistan hijacked four US domestic planes and crashed two in New York, one in Virginia, and one in Baltimore murdering thousands of innocent men, women and children!!!

END OF.

[Nickbat]

Nickbat, every terorist when risking their life try to give damage as much as they can..
 
there are many tall buildings in america and 230 millions of american citizen..
 
even if their iq level was above 90 they would destroy more strategic places which are related
 
to powerful organisations.. pentagon, langley etc.. but not stupid skyscrapers..

Terrorist organisations have historically attacked symbols of national pride. All the way back to the hijacking and destruction of national airline planes in the 1960s. I assume the 9/11 terrorists wanted to hit the Twin Towers as they were a potent symbol of US power. They may be "stupid skyscrapers" to you, but to US citizens they were a cherished landmark of New York City.

Methinks that no matter what I say that you have a meme - that the US is run by shady criminals who eat babies for breakfast. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I feel you are trying to fit the events to a preconception, namely that it was an inside job and no matter what facts are presented to you, nothing will change your deep-seated conviction...even if it's wrong.   

[cem_devecioglu]

 
 
honestly ,conspiracy is what the govt explained officially .. and a load of 'dangle berries' without any proof.. same warren comission..
 
truth is what the engineers and architecs are trying to tell the community risking their jobs and lifes for a better nation..
 
please respect them..
 
 
 
 

[Nickbat]

We get this conspiracy crap every year.

Let me give you a conspiracy theory:- A bunch of muslim fanatics financed by Saudia Arabia, and living in Pakistan/Afganistan hijacked four US domestic planes and crashed two in New York, one in Virginia, and one in Baltimore murdering thousands of innocent men, women and children!!!

END OF.

Indeed, Cleggy. Spot on and end of! 

[cem_devecioglu]

Nickbat, every terorist when risking their life try to give damage as much as they can..
 
there are many tall buildings in america and 230 millions of american citizen..
 
even if their iq level was above 90 they would destroy more strategic places which are related
 
to powerful organisations.. pentagon, langley etc.. but not stupid skyscrapers..

Terrorist organisations have historically attacked symbols of national pride. All the way back to the hijacking and destruction of national airline planes in the 1960s. I assume the 9/11 terrorists wanted to hit the Twin Towers as they were a potent symbol of US power. They may be "stupid skyscrapers" to you, but to US citizens they were a cherished landmark of New York City.

Methinks that no matter what I say that you have a meme - that the US is run by shady criminals who eat babies for breakfast. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I feel you are trying to fit the events to a preconception, namely that it was an inside job and no matter what facts are presented to you, nothing will change your deep-seated conviction...even if it's wrong.   

Nickbat, there are also many skyscrapers in middle east and honestly (sorry) we dont give a sh*t on them..they are no symbol for anything.. everyone knows the organization who makes operations through out the world.. and they will be #1 target..    I'm trying to tell something so please stop and think for a minute..

[Nickbat]

Nickbat, there are also many skyscrapers in middle east and honestly (sorry) we dont give a sh*t on them..they are no symbol for anything.. everyone knows the organization who makes operations through out the world.. and they will be #1 target..    I'm trying to tell something so please stop and think for a minute..

The Twin Towers WERE symbolic. I visited New York in the 1980s and visited the Twin Towers complex on business. I presume you have never visited the United States and are therefore unable to comprehend the way that such buildings can, in the West, be regarded as symbolic.

I could think for a million minutes and still come to the conclusion that this conspiracy theory is garbage.     

[cem_devecioglu]

Nickbat, there are also many skyscrapers in middle east and honestly (sorry) we dont give a sh*t on them..they are no symbol for anything.. everyone knows the organization who makes operations through out the world.. and they will be #1 target..    I'm trying to tell something so please stop and think for a minute..

The Twin Towers WERE symbolic. I visited New York in the 1980s and visited the Twin Towers complex on business. I presume you have never visited the United States and are therefore unable to comprehend the way that such buildings can, in the West, be regarded as symbolic.

I could think for a million minutes and still come to the conclusion that this conspiracy theory is garbage. 

symolizes what ? New York.. so what

[albitz]

I was at the top of the world trade centre a month before it came down,and it was a hugely impressive place to be.Something I was always going to remember,but I didnt know at the time just how memorable it would become.
Ive watched countless documentaries on the subject,read lots of articles etc. and although there will always be unanswered questions around any event as momentous as this,I cant see any real merit in the conspiracy theories tbh.

[cem_devecioglu]

ok.. Nickbat and Albitz I have concluded that you cant be terorists.. your situation is desperate stay in home

[cem_devecioglu]

terrorists dont fight with buildings

[Turk]

i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers. 
     

 

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=1096

[cem_devecioglu]

i have watched when it was on tv and i said then it was complete cobblers

Cobblers, indeed.

The one thing that destroys the theory most for me is not scientific, but behavioural. The USA is intensely patriotic. This patriotism runs from the very top of government downwards. Indeed, the country is quite capable of reacting militarily to any real or perceived threat to the merest hint of danger shown towards the smallest number of its citizens. Historically, this has been in hostage situations and the like. I find it absolutely inconceivable that any US administration, either Republican or Democrat would wittingly plan to murder its own citizens. Not only would no President sanction such actions, but the degree of planning and preparation involved in the conspiracy-theorists claim would necessarily involve the collusion of scores of US citizens. As such, it is impossible I believe to recruit such people and equally impossible to buy their silence.

Does anyone really think that there exists people in the US who would willingly plant explosives in the Twin Towers, and yet not mention the fact at some point?

Yep, absolute cobblers. 
     

 

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=1096

yep.. another historical fact.. 
 
even without decoding japanese communication , you can expect an attack.. why ? simple .. everyone knows , not all but most of american fleet was sleeping in pearl harbor..  in fact the results of attack would be more damaging if some of the the ships and aircraft carriers were not in repair in mainland (as far as I remember).. Admiral Yamomoto, decided to attack  based on the info that most american fleet is in the bay.. But after the attack decision, some of the ships go to mainland for repair.. besides it was a deadly fault to keep ships all side by side inside the harbor.. and one of the ships hardly avoid to be sunk in the middle of harbor exit.. and a last info, they catched or sunk a small japanese submarine before the event.. I think only war drums were missing   really I dont believe American intelligency was in sleep..

[albitz]

The U.S is quiter insular at times and they find it difficult to comprehend that outside forces would attack them on their own soil.
Understandable I suppose,as pearl harbour and 9/11 are the only two occasions which come to mind that it has actually happened.
On the rare occasion it does happen it shocks them to their core,and the reaction,unfortunately is all too predictable - Hiroshima/Nagasaki,and Iraq/Afghanistan.

[cem_devecioglu]

The U.S is quiter insular at times and they find it difficult to comprehend that outside forces would attack them on their own soil.
Understandable I suppose,as pearl harbour and 9/11 are the only two occasions which come to mind that it has actually happened.
On the rare occasion it does happen it shocks them to their core,and the reaction,unfortunately is all too predictable - Hiroshima/Nagasaki,and Iraq/Afghanistan.

insular ? normal citizens yes.. having their daily lifes.. int. service.. no..  its their duty to stay awake!  but they are generally busy with digging graves

[Nick W]

terrorists dont fight with buildings

No, they attack obvious, high profile targets in unexpected, vicious, cruel and messy ways. The low-tech way is a car bomb. It's not difficult to mix a batch of home-made explosives, pack it in a van with nails and ballbearings and detonate it in a busy  public place.

9/11 was just a bit more high-tech; the concept is sophisticated, but actually carrying it out wasn't difficult. After all, the only moderately tricky bit was to highjack several airliners simultaneously. I suspect that's the only reason that the perpetrators weren't the legitimate pilots of the planes. Don't forget that the other planes didn't make it to their targets, which being military were better defended.

The real damage is not the loss of life or the gap in the New York skyline. It's the backlash within American and, to a lesser extent, the rest of Western society. Look at how pervasive the Homeland Security Agency is; if you'd said 15 years ago that Americans would have willingly accepted it's powers and methods, you would have been laughed at. America was The Land Of The Free and wasn't prepared to let anyone forget it. Until September, and the entire country was clamouring to be protected.

The terrorists actions made Americans want to live in more of a police state, and by that result alone, they can only consider it a huge success.

The sad thing about this is that nations cannot fight terrorists publicly through bureaucracies. The only effective way is to discretely hunt the murderous oppsers down and make them disappear for ever. And that's just as scary a thing for a civilised democratic society to do.